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Unscheduled Cross-Country Stop at Worcs. Parkway

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Unixman

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I was waiting at Worcestershire Parkway to collect a friend from Birmingham when the 1427 ex Plymouth to Edinburgh made an unscheduled stop at about 1758. This was obviously to pick up the swarm of passengers that were waiting, probably due to the cancellation of the 1713 to Nottingham.

Interestingly RTT doesn't say that the train stopped but rather "passed".

How unusual is for that to happen?

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It’s quite regular across the country for operators to do this if one of their own services is cancelled. On some occasions alternative operators will also do the honours however this is not as common obviously.
 

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Interestingly RTT doesn't say that the train stopped but rather "passed".
For what it's worth, it did appear as a stop (activity code "T") in Darwin, the system that powers departure boards and non-industry/enthusiast oriented apps.

As I understand it, these sorts of last-minute changes are often entered directly into Darwin instead of TRUST (the underlying system that RTT reads from)
 

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Thank you to you both for you replies. I was just a tad surprised to see it !
 

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On one Saturday few weeks ago, there was a XC Manchester - Bristol Temple Meads service which called at Worcestershire Parkway additionally also.

Similar also, RTT did not show or advertise it as stopping but was labelled as 'passed'.
 

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On one Saturday few weeks ago, there was a XC Manchester - Bristol Temple Meads service which called at Worcestershire Parkway additionally also.

Similar also, RTT did not show or advertise it as stopping but was labelled as 'passed'.

To my knowledge RTT is not linked to Darwin. Darwin would show on journey planners, CIS etc. which is important for passengers and which is what controllers either directly or indirectly will input changes into.
 

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To my knowledge RTT is not linked to Darwin. Darwin would show on journey planners, CIS etc. which is important for passengers and which is what controllers either directly or indirectly will input changes into.
RTT isn't allowed to use Darwin data, because would have to use Darwin timing data, rather than that from TRUST which it currently uses, which would pretty much go against the point of RTT. Tom made. a statement about it a few years ago here.
At present, Realtime Trains uses data only from the Network Rail Open Data platform. The operational systems which underpin this platform have various issues but in summary during disruption, particularly when trains are altered rather than completely cancelled, the data can be wrong. The “solution” to this problem is using information from Darwin.

Darwin is used as a centralised source of data for multiple systems including customer information on stations, on board passenger information and many mobile phone apps. It takes data from a multitude of sources including TRUST and Train Describer but allows alterations including adjusting calling patterns, diversions, partial cancellations from systems such as Tyrell or through direct input. This isn’t a complete list but gives you an idea of what it does.

Using alteration data from Darwin is a fantastic idea on paper as it means we are all agreed as to what is supposed to be happening. I would love to use this data and integrate it into Realtime Trains… I wrote the code to do it about three years ago. There is, however, a critical problem: using any data from Darwin means that you must use their prediction forecasts and their time-bound data. I was informed last year, by someone at NRE/RDG, that they allow some people to ignore that; up to now I have been unable to get the same permissions.

I don’t really trust Darwin and it’s one of the reasons that RTT exists. For many years I commuted for my education and found numerous instances where it was wrong back then. More recently, I’ve started travelling weekly to London for some work I’m personally doing to diversify my interests away from rail: there are still instances I find where the forecasts are wrong, and some instances where they disagree between screens and apps!
 
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