Paul Kelly
Verified Rep - BR Fares
I wonder if anybody has any idea or insight into a conundrum I am wondering about:
in the afternoon peak, when some trains out of Waterloo don't stop at Clapham Junction, for a journey from Vauxhall to somewhere further afield the fastest and easiest itinerary can be to change at Waterloo, e.g.
dep VXH 1640 arr WAT 1645
dep WAT 1700 arr PMS 1832
The fare is issued from London Terminals to Portsmouth Stations and I don't see why it shouldn't be permitted via Waterloo, but no booking engines seem to allow it. As far as they are concerned there is no doubleback, since Vauxhall isn't a timing point for the WAT-PMS train - in any case it would certainly seem to be in the spirit of station groups to allow this sort of thing anyway! As I see it this situation is quite different from getting a train to Waterloo only to change to one that stopped at Vauxhall again when passing through, which certainly wouldn't be permitted.
I can't see what rule could be used to ban it - if it is banned there are quite sparse journey opportunities from Vauxhall in the evening peak, all of them requiring two changes (at Clapham Junction and Woking).
Does anybody have any ideas how/why booking engines might be banning the above itinerary?
A slightly analogous itinerary could be this one from London Bridge to Dartford via Cannon Street, making use of the single daily train from Cannon Street that doesn't stop at London Bridge - although that is slightly different as London Bridge is a timing point in the schedule data for the non-stop CST-DFD train:
dep LBG 0737 arr CST 0743
dep CST 0754 arr DFD 0828
Strangely enough WebTIS *does* allow this one - and indeed allows other itineraries that doubleback through London Bridge and also call there, which really doesn't make sense at all. I'm quite baffled!
in the afternoon peak, when some trains out of Waterloo don't stop at Clapham Junction, for a journey from Vauxhall to somewhere further afield the fastest and easiest itinerary can be to change at Waterloo, e.g.
dep VXH 1640 arr WAT 1645
dep WAT 1700 arr PMS 1832
The fare is issued from London Terminals to Portsmouth Stations and I don't see why it shouldn't be permitted via Waterloo, but no booking engines seem to allow it. As far as they are concerned there is no doubleback, since Vauxhall isn't a timing point for the WAT-PMS train - in any case it would certainly seem to be in the spirit of station groups to allow this sort of thing anyway! As I see it this situation is quite different from getting a train to Waterloo only to change to one that stopped at Vauxhall again when passing through, which certainly wouldn't be permitted.
I can't see what rule could be used to ban it - if it is banned there are quite sparse journey opportunities from Vauxhall in the evening peak, all of them requiring two changes (at Clapham Junction and Woking).
Does anybody have any ideas how/why booking engines might be banning the above itinerary?
A slightly analogous itinerary could be this one from London Bridge to Dartford via Cannon Street, making use of the single daily train from Cannon Street that doesn't stop at London Bridge - although that is slightly different as London Bridge is a timing point in the schedule data for the non-stop CST-DFD train:
dep LBG 0737 arr CST 0743
dep CST 0754 arr DFD 0828
Strangely enough WebTIS *does* allow this one - and indeed allows other itineraries that doubleback through London Bridge and also call there, which really doesn't make sense at all. I'm quite baffled!
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I thought it was from Vauxhall!
