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Western Region 1965 (and London Midland 1962)

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Have discovered timetableworld.com and consequently this timetable from an era 17 years before I started using the railways regularly.

Makes interesting reading. I've commented on the "Beeching" lines elsewhere but there are other examples of practice which differ considerably not only from the current era but the BR era of which I am familiar (the 1980s and early 1990s).

For instance, one thing that is very noticeable (though this survived until the early 1990s) is the large increase of peak-time frequency compared to off peak. Out of Paddington there were 2 semi-fast trains to Reading and one all-stations to Slough off-peak. Peak time, the semi-fast trains increased to 4 and the slows also to 4 (though a few terminated at places like Southall or Hayes and Harlington). A look at the London Midland timetable from 1962 on the same site suggests the same sort of pattern for lines out of Manchester - the Buxton line has quite an extraordinary peak increase in frequency, from 1 to 4 an hour IIRC.

However there are points in which the 1960s offered worse services compared to the 80s, early 90s or today. Long distance intercity services seem notable for their infrequency - while arguably a 20-minute interval service from London to Manchester in the middle of the day could be seen as a bit OTT, perhaps, the 1962 frequency was only every 2 or 3 hours - extraordinarily infrequent; certainly a good deal less frequent than the classic pattern of an hourly service in the 80s and 90s. Likewise in 1965 there was only a West Country (via Westbury) service every two hours - by the 1980s it was hourly alternating between Plymouth and Penzance - which I believe is still the pattern now.

Cross-Country seemed just about non-existent in 1965, just two trains a day from Bournemouth to the north, both stopping at Reading West rather than Reading. There seemed to be no other through services from Reading to the north; there was a two-hourly Paddington to Birkenhead but that went via High Wycombe. Cross-Country obviously came in between 1965 and 1983 as by the latter year, there were more-or-less hourly services (with occasional gaps) from Reading northwards, typically 47s and Mk-II stock. Cross-Country in the early 80s seemed much less of a "mass market" thing than now, an "alternative" way to get north that was not well advertised - so the trains were generally comfortable and healthily-loaded without being overcrowded at any point.

Most surprising of all is the poor service from Reading and Oxford. This I find hard to understand as both towns were presumably almost as large as they are now in 1965, and both are close to London so one would think that there would be large commuter traffic. Many West Country expresses omitted Reading, even in the middle of the day, giving an erratic fast service with approximately 30 to 45 minutes between trains from Reading to Paddington. (There were, however, two semi-fasts an hour, presumably class 117 DMUs by this time, discussed above). Oxford seemed to only have trains every two hours - originating from Worcester or Hereford - off peak, with two-hourly fast Reading to Oxford (stopping Didcot only) shuttles also existing - which didn't seem to connect at Reading into anything particular.

Peak is even stranger. The bulk of Reading to Paddington peaks appeared to be "semi-fast" trains generally stopping at some or all of Twyford, Maidenhead, Slough and Ealing Broadway and originating at Reading or Didcot - little evidence of intercity.

Stranger, the first train south out of Oxford was incredibly 0730, meaning it was impossible to arrive in Reading before 0811 and London 0857. That seems absolutely incredible - more like a Sunday service these days.

So the question is: was the 1965 situation (particularly regarding Inter City, XC, Reading and Oxford) typical of the pre-Beeching era or was it just the railway was going through a notably bad patch in the 1960s and anything outside of commuter areas left to go to seed somewhat? One often hears of the post-war years (notably the early 50s) as the golden era of the railways - were things better then?
 
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Reading still relied on the three B's in the 1960's and was not as important as it is now. The three B's were Biscuits, Bulbs and Beer, comprising of Huntley and Palmer's, Sutton's seeds and a brewery whose name I now forget! Most people worked locally, though I suspect that there was some commuter traffic to London, though not nearly as much as there is now.

As the traditional industries of the town began to be lost, and high tech jobs started to come in, Reading became a more popular place to commute to. The introduction of the high speed trains made Reading a more desirable place to relocate to and work in London as well, thus leading to ever increasing numbers from the town.

Basically traffic patterns have changed a lot over the last half a century. The railway industry has also become more focused in trying to meet passenger demand, and the increase in services at Reading merely reflects that.
 

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In the early 1960s the train services still largely followed the pattern of the old pre-nationalisation companies - the BR 'regions' were (with the exception of the Scottish Region) basically state-owned versions the GWR/LMS/LNER/SR, and passenger traffic was in decline on much of the network. 'Inter-regional' services seemed to have little central direction from BR HQ, so it was largely down to the regional managements getting together to organise them.

I first got interested in railways around 1972 (in the Birmingham area) - by that stage what we now call 'cross-country' had been re-organised to be centred on Birmingham, to allow interchange and also electric haulage between there and Manchester/Liverpool (it was normally Mk1 coaches, 45/46/47 diesels and 81-85 electrics, with a lot of engine changing at New Street).

It was the completion of the London-Birmingham/Manchester/Liverpool electrification in 1967 that really started the transformation of long-distance services into what we have today, with much faster timings and higher frequencies - lots of 'sparks effect' :) (London-Birmingham was already half-hourly by 1972).
 
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I first got interested in railways around 1972 (in the Birmingham area) - by that stage what we now call 'cross-country' had been re-organised to be centred on Birmingham, to allow interchange and also electric haulage between there and Manchester/Liverpool (it was normally Mk1 coaches, 45/46/47 diesels and 81-85 electrics, with a lot of engine changing at New Street).

Sounds very similar to the 80s - except by then the coaches were largely MkII, the electrics were mostly 86s with the occasional 85 or 87, and the diesels (at least on the Reading route) were mostly 47s. Interesting times...
My first ever InterCity journey was on one of the cross-country trains: a 1200 from Guildford to Stafford at the end of 1982 (Portsmouth Harbour-Manchester Piccadilly). This presumably changed loco at Birmingham but I only became aware of that happening the following year when I noticed at Stafford all the XC trains having electrics. Said train became an 0900 the following year when I used it a couple more times. Ironically with the frequent XC service nowadays there's no train from Portsmouth, or indeed Brighton (which had 2 or 3 a day in the 80s), at all!
 
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As far as I remember, there were no XC trains to Portsmouth or Brighton in the early 70s - the 'south of Reading' workings all went to Poole (mostly because the stock could be serviced in the sidings there - Bournemouth was the real destination), and they were hauled by 33s south of Reading (that was a good thrash - nine Mk1s and not much power....that's why it changed to 47s later on). It was almost always a 47 between Birmingham and Reading, so I assume that Reading drivers were not passed for 45/46s.

The steam-heat only 45/46s came off the XC workings when the stock went ETH only (the ETH fitted 45/1s never strayed far from the MML trains).
 

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I recall a Hymek at Poole on the evening train to Brum, probably 1971.

I think there may have been a summer Saturday Pompey, but the Brighton service was a late 70s innovation (or re - invention).
 

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Reading still relied on the three B's in the 1960's and was not as important as it is now. The three B's were Biscuits, Bulbs and Beer, comprising of Huntley and Palmer's, Sutton's seeds and a brewery whose name I now forget! Most people worked locally, though I suspect that there was some commuter traffic to London, though not nearly as much as there is now.

As the traditional industries of the town began to be lost, and high tech jobs started to come in, Reading became a more popular place to commute to. The introduction of the high speed trains made Reading a more desirable place to relocate to and work in London as well, thus leading to ever increasing numbers from the town.

Basically traffic patterns have changed a lot over the last half a century. The railway industry has also become more focused in trying to meet passenger demand, and the increase in services at Reading merely reflects that.

Simonds Brewery in Reading that later became part of Courage.
 

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The 1962 service between Manchester & London was untypical, in that some WCML services were affected / diverted due WCML electrification work. Before then, there were trains roughly every 2 hours on the WCML, plus every 2 hours on the Midland Route.

Elsewhere, although the trains were much less frequent than now, they were mostly much longer than the 2 to 4 coach "toy trains" now used on many services. Trains of 12, 13, 14 or even 15 coaches were common on the WCML and on parts of the Western Region. Commuter services from Manchester to Buxton or Blackpool could be 2 x 3 car Class 104 dmus - in summer you could even find 3 x 3 car 104 on some Blackpool services.
 

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Any one recall the Manchester Piccadilly-Cardiff Central services that ran via Birmingham New St.? Back in the 70s seen to remember them formed of Class 81 or 85 on a rake of mk1s (later or rebuilt types with commonwealth/B4 bogies) can't remember if they had a buffet car or what replaced the electric at New St. But most likely a Peak or 47. Always wondered how the journey time compared to today's service via Hereford?
 

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Reading is important now as the Tech hub of South East England. I would have thought that the population of Reading has way more than doubled. I was a "Train Spotter" in the 60's, at my local station, Taplow. Many a time in the evenings after school, I would go down there, wishing that I could head onwards to Reading for a couple of hours. Trouble was that the evening services westwards was so poor that there was no way to get down and back before I was due home.

Slough's staple service to London for many years was two fasts (stopping at Ealing Broadway) at xx.22 and xx.52 from Platform 5 and two slow (all stations including the now closed platforms at Westbourne Park) at xx.00 and xx.30 from Platform 6. Slough also was a sub shed of Southall Diesel Depot. Three or four Class 117 3 car units would sit on the two track siding in between the fast and slow lines east of Slough Station overnight, ready to work the early morning stoppers to Paddington. One other interesting working I can remember in the mid 70's was the daily Windsor and Eton Central to Paddington at around 10am. There was a crossover installed east of Slough to allow the Paddington bound Windsor train to acces the up main. The Windsor train would stop in Platform 2 at Slough (down main), before crossing onto the up main. IIRC the sidings I mention above were removed at the same time the crossover was installed. For information those sidings were reached by a shunt back from Platform 4.

Platform 5 at Slough is two way working. This was where the TPO and Newspaper Trains would have been serviced in the early hours. Also one other important Train would use this Platform, the Royal Train. Access to the Royal Limousines is quick, and more importantly the Platform can be easily secured quickly, with minimal disruption to other rail traffic. Was the duty S&T Technician once when the Queen arrived at Slough. Platform 5 was secured, Royal Train arrived, Queen got off and into one of the Royal Limousines, Royal Train empties departed, and Platform 5 was re-opened to passengers. All this took place in the space of 5 minutes. There was no lock down of the whole area for hours on end. It was quick and highly efficient. We would not know about a Royal Train arrival until the actual day when we were told to be in Slough Panel at a certain time. IIRC the first I knew it was the Royal Train was when the duty signalman told me to keep an eye out for 1X01 appearing on the Train Describer. That was the Royal Train code.
 

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I too remember the service at Slough as described by Hornet, above. The sidings he describes at the east end of Slough platforms (between the Down Relief Line and Up Main Line) were called, unsurprisingly, East End Sidings.

I seem to remember an 06.14 Slough (06.44 from Reading) to Birmingham Moor Street DMU that came out of those sidings. It stopped at all stations (yes, Appleford, Heyford et al) until it got near central Birmingham when it missed out one or two stops. It caused problems in the West Midlands because as it was a London Division class 117 DMU it had first class accommodation; but all the other trains on the line into Moor Street were second class only. The train ran into the terminus platforms at Moor Street; the line to Snow Hill had not been re-opened yet, and the through platforms didn't yet exist.

There was also an 00.14 Reading to Birmingham DMU for many years, that had a van for mail attached at the rear, and called all stations as far as Oxford at least.
 

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Any one recall the Manchester Piccadilly-Cardiff Central services that ran via Birmingham New St.? Back in the 70s seen to remember them formed of Class 81 or 85 on a rake of mk1s (later or rebuilt types with commonwealth/B4 bogies) can't remember if they had a buffet car or what replaced the electric at New St. But most likely a Peak or 47. Always wondered how the journey time compared to today's service via Hereford?

Roughly 4 hours, including the 15min stop at New Street.
 
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