What is the most common bus in the uk?

[WilWmr]

Well i randomly thought to myself "I wonder what bus is the most common in the UK? Maybe its Enviro 200s, maybe its Geminis". From a personal standpoint I would assume the e200, even prior to becoming interested in public transport whenever I thought of a bus id think of an e200 but then again I do live in a pretty single decker dominated part of the west midlands. If anyone has any clue on what the most common bus In the UK is I would appreciate it.

 

[K4016td]

According to howmanyleft there is in excess of 16k Alexander Dennis buses without differentation between models (but assuming it starts in 2005 it must be both E200 and E400), I doubt if there is as half as much Wrightbuses overall.

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[Deerfold]

According to howmanyleft there is in excess of 16k Alexander Dennis buses without differentation between models (but assuming it starts in 2005 it must be both E200 and E400), I doubt if there is as half as much Wrightbuses overall.

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There's under 16,000 if you subtract those which are SORN.

 

[K4016td]

There's under 16,000 if you subtract those which are SORN.

Currently registered, yes - I actually think that the overall numbers can be even higher considering how many would've been manufactrured overall and withdrawn/scrapped over the course of last two decades and therefore do not figure in the above summary.

 

[stevieinselby]

I've pulled together a set of current fleetlists (from bustimes) covering all the big groups and larger independents, and out of a total of 28,879 buses listed, the most common are:

1. Enviro 200 - 2777
2. Enviro 400 - 2760
3. Enviro 400 MMC - 2673
4. Enviro 200 MMC - 1904
5. Wright Streetlite DF - 1333
6. BYD Enviro 400 EV - 924
7. Volvo B5LH Gemini 3 - 863
8. Volvo B9TL Gemini 2 - 838
9. Enviro 300 - 806
10. New Routemaster - 797

No, that list won't be comprehensive and may not be perfectly accurate, but I would be surprised if including the smaller operators would change things dramatically as they have, by definition, a smaller number of vehicles.
(That includes Go Ahead, Stagecoach, First, Arriva, Centrebus, Rotala, Transdev, Wellglade, NXWM, WC Motors, McGills, Cardiff, Newport and a few others)

 

[Andyh82]

I've pulled together a set of current fleetlists (from bustimes) covering all the big groups and larger independents, and out of a total of 28,879 buses listed, the most common are:

1. Enviro 200 - 2777
2. Enviro 400 - 2760
3. Enviro 400 MMC - 2673
4. Enviro 200 MMC - 1904
5. Wright Streetlite DF - 1333
6. BYD Enviro 400 EV - 924
7. Volvo B5LH Gemini 3 - 863
8. Volvo B9TL Gemini 2 - 838
9. Enviro 300 - 806
10. New Routemaster - 797

No, that list won't be comprehensive and may not be perfectly accurate, but I would be surprised if including the smaller operators would change things dramatically as they have, by definition, a smaller number of vehicles.
(That includes Go Ahead, Stagecoach, First, Arriva, Centrebus, Rotala, Transdev, Wellglade, NXWM, WC Motors, McGills, Cardiff, Newport and a few others)

If you want to make it even more accurate, other big operators I can think of would be all other London operators - Metroline, RATP Dev Transit London and Transport UK (Abellio) plus Lothian Buses and Nottingham City Transport

I’m surprised how far in front the Enviro 400 is over the Gemini, I thought they’d be closer. I suppose it depends what part of the country you live in.

 

[Deerfold]

Currently registered, yes - I actually think that the overall numbers can be even higher considering how many would've been manufactrured overall and withdrawn/scrapped over the course of last two decades and therefore do not figure in the above summary.

I assumed the OP wanted the numbers currently in use.

 

[joieman]

I’m surprised how far in front the Enviro 400 is over the Gemini, I thought they’d be closer. I suppose it depends what part of the country you live in.

The Enviro400 was manufactured from 2000 to 2015, whereas the Volvo B9TL/Wright Eclipse Gemini (assuming we are not including the preceding Volvo B7TL/Wright Eclipse Gemini or the successive generations of the Eclipse Gemini) was only built from 2007 to 2009. Moreover, since the Enviro400 ended production more recently, that therefore means that more of them would still be on the roads.
It's also worth considering all of the possible chassis and body combinations, as until recently bus manufacturers built bodies for a wide combination of chassis: for instance, the Enviro400, besides being built on its own integral chassis, has also been built on the Volvo B7TL and B9TL chassis as well as the Scania N230UD, while Wrightbus similarly simultaneously built single-decker bus bodies on the Volvo B7L (as the Eclipse Metro), the Volvo B7RLE (as the Eclipse Urban), the Scania L94UB and K230UB (as the Solar), the VDL SB200 (as the Pulsar) and the MAN A22 (as the Meridian).

 

[stevieinselby]

If you want to make it even more accurate, other big operators I can think of would be all other London operators - Metroline, RATP Dev Transit London and Transport UK (Abellio) plus Lothian Buses and Nottingham City Transport

I’m surprised how far in front the Enviro 400 is over the Gemini, I thought they’d be closer. I suppose it depends what part of the country you live in.

I did have Metroline and NCT - annoyed with myself for missing Lothian though, and I thought I'd got all the big London ones but had missed United and Transport UK.
I've added those and the only difference it has made to the order is that the New Routemaster has jumped up a couple of places (not surprising given the addition of more London operators!)

1. Enviro 200 - 2951
2. Enviro 400 - 2845
3. Enviro 400 MMC - 2726
4. Enviro 200 MMC - 2253
5. Wright Streetlite DF - 1337
6. BYD Enviro 400 EV - 1144
7. Volvo B5LH Gemini 3 - 1073
8. New Routemaster - 997
9. Volvo B9TL Gemini 2 - 992
10. Enviro 300 - 806

Although having done some sampling of smaller operators, I think that a full fleetlist would see more emphasis on Enviro 200s & MMCs, and could potentially move Optare Solo SR into the top 10 as they are predominantly used by smaller operators. Enviro 400s are virtually unknown in smaller operators (double deckers are more commonly Volvos and Scanias, although there aren't huge numbers of either)

 

[Stan Drews]

The Enviro400 was manufactured from 2000 to 2015, whereas the Volvo B9TL/Wright Eclipse Gemini (assuming we are not including the preceding Volvo B7TL/Wright Eclipse Gemini or the successive generations of the Eclipse Gemini) was only built from 2007 to 2009. Moreover, since the Enviro400 ended production more recently, that therefore means that more of them would still be on the roads.
It's also worth considering all of the possible chassis and body combinations, as until recently bus manufacturers built bodies for a wide combination of chassis: for instance, the Enviro400, besides being built on its own integral chassis, has also been built on the Volvo B7TL and B9TL chassis as well as the Scania N230UD, while Wrightbus similarly simultaneously built single-decker bus bodies on the Volvo B7L (as the Eclipse Metro), the Volvo B7RLE (as the Eclipse Urban), the Scania L94UB and K230UB (as the Solar), the VDL SB200 (as the Pulsar) and the MAN A22 (as the Meridian).

The ‘integral’ E40D/Enviro400 didn’t come around until 2006 when it replaced the Dennis Trident. In fact, I seem to recall some of the earliest versions still had Trident on the chassis plates.

 

[joieman]

New Routemaster - 997

I thought there were supposed to be exactly 1,000 New Routemasters.

 

[EnviroExplorer]

Another set of figures are these I’ve taken from the bustimes.org API available at https://bustimes.org/api/vehicles

1. ADL Enviro 200 - 3643
2. ADL Enviro 400 - 3011
3. ADL Enviro 400 MMC - 2793
4. ADL Enviro 200 MMC - 2726
5. Wright Streetlite DF - 1481
6. Volvo B9TL Gemini 2 - 1350
7. BYD ADL Enviro 400 EV - 1146
8. Volvo B5LH Gemini 3 - 1077
9. Volvo B5TL Gemini 3 - 1072
10. Optare Solo SR - 1013
11. New Routemaster - 997

These figures again will not be entirely accurate with some operators not tracking, this has been filtered for only those that haven’t been marked withdrawn.

Also, this takes into account Irish operators, which has definitely bumped the B5TL/Gemini 3 up the list with the huge amount operated by Dublin Bus and Go-Ahead Ireland.

To note the New Routemaster isn’t 1000 because 1 is listed as an EV following a conversion, the remaining 2 have been withdrawn and stripped for parts as I understand.

 

[Tetchytyke]

I’m surprised how far in front the Enviro 400 is over the Gemini, I thought they’d be closer. I suppose it depends what part of the country you live in.

I’m not.

What I am surprised at is the absence of the Wright Streetdeck from any of the statistics in this thread. The Streetdeck isn’t a Gemini 3.

 

[Andyh82]

I’m not.

What I am surprised at is the absence of the Wright Streetdeck from any of the statistics in this thread. The Streetdeck isn’t a Gemini 3.

I think it’s because I was thinking of anything that an enthusiast would refer to as a ‘gemini’ which in actual fact covers loads of different types

That being B7TLs, B9TLs, B5LH, VDL/Pulsar Gemini, the Wrightbus Gemini 2DLs that Arriva have, and possibly the Gemini 3 with original non Streetdeck styling

 

[chiltern trev]

Have you got Belfast/ Northern Ireland in the list?

 

[stevieinselby]

Another set of figures are these I’ve taken from the bustimes.org API available at https://bustimes.org/api/vehicles

Thanks ... I don't understand how the API works, but that looks a lot more comprehensive than my way of copying and pasting a load of pages into Excel and hoping I hadn't missed anything important!

 

[Whistler40145]

How many Mercedes Benz Citaro buses are in traffic?

 

[EnviroExplorer]

Have you got Belfast/ Northern Ireland in the list?

Northern Ireland buses are hit and miss with tracking so the list I posted doesn’t properly take them into account.

Perhaps worth mentioning that although the Enviro 200 is the most common standalone type, if you were to group Enviro 400 Hybrids with their respective diesel counterparts, the figures would look a little different, with them being largely identical in appearance to a spotter. Same could be said for Streetdecks, especially the Micro-Hybrid ones.

Thanks ... I don't understand how the API works, but that looks a lot more comprehensive than my way of copying and pasting a load of pages into Excel and hoping I hadn't missed anything important!

It’s a lot simpler than it looks at first sight! Allows you to filter by livery as well as vehicle type, with the “count” being the number of results for that field. When left unfiltered it shows there’s 52937 vehicles on the system, but 41671 active vehicles when filtered for those not withdrawn.

I’ve left the link for the ADL Enviro 200 result here should it be useful https://bustimes.org/api/vehicles/?...h=&fleet_code=&reg=&slug=&operator=&ordering=

How many Mercedes Benz Citaro buses are in traffic?

Not an awful lot nowadays, none of the individual types come close to the top spots but I’ve listed them here.

Citaro O295 (Euro 6 facelift two-axle) - 138 plus 13 shorter O295K variants.

Citaro O530 (earlier build two-axle) - 195
Citaro O530G (articulated) - just the 7 at First Aberdeen! but there are other survivors if you know where to look, which aren’t in public service or listed on bustimes.

 

[VioletEclipse]

Citaro O530G (articulated) - just the 7 at First Aberdeen! but there are other survivors if you know where to look, which aren’t in public service or listed on bustimes.

Goodness I hadn't realised they were the only ones left! In Germany they're in basically every town and city to the point where you don't think anything of them. Might try and go to Aberdeen before they're withdrawn.

 

[Andyh82]

Of course BusTimes won’t include coach operators and school bus only operators that operate buses on either closed door contracts or school services that just aren’t in the system.

These operators are more likely to have older vehicles like B7TLs in Gemini, ALX400 and Plaxton President forms

 

[VioletEclipse]

I'm assuming that the number of pre-2000 buses still sin service is close to zero by now.

 

[JD2168]

What about the original shape B9TL Gemini which First bought in much larger numbers than the Gemini 2?

 

[Tetchytyke]

Goodness I hadn't realised they were the only ones left!

On the road they are.

Leeds Bradford Airport have a number of ex-Stagecoach London Citaro bendies. They're used airside to shuttle passengers to and from bus gates.

 

[joieman]

Citaro O530G (articulated) - just the 7 at First Aberdeen! but there are other survivors if you know where to look, which aren’t in public service or listed on bustimes.

Are the York ones gone already?

 

[VioletEclipse]

Are the York ones gone already?

From what I know the York ones are the batch that went to Aberdeen, although I had thought there might still be a few left in York, apparently not.

 

[GusB]

Stay on topic, please. The thread is supposed to be discussing the most common bus in the UK; I don't think that articulated Citaros meet the definition of common in any way!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Getting back on topic....

You need to be looking at the major groups and leasing companies. The e200 was the standard choice for Stagecoach, Dawsons, Mistral, and for First and Arriva until 2013 when the Streetlite came in. No surprise that it's the most populous.

As for the e400, it was taken by Stagecoach as you'd expect but also by West Midlands. However, First took quite a number whilst also buying B9s (and a few B5s) and I think almost exclusively after 2012. Arriva did have a few B9s and DB300s on Gemini bodies but also favoured e400s in later years.

 

[WilWmr]

I've pulled together a set of current fleetlists (from bustimes) covering all the big groups and larger independents, and out of a total of 28,879 buses listed, the most common are:

1. Enviro 200 - 2777
2. Enviro 400 - 2760
3. Enviro 400 MMC - 2673
4. Enviro 200 MMC - 1904
5. Wright Streetlite DF - 1333
6. BYD Enviro 400 EV - 924
7. Volvo B5LH Gemini 3 - 863
8. Volvo B9TL Gemini 2 - 838
9. Enviro 300 - 806
10. New Routemaster - 797

No, that list won't be comprehensive and may not be perfectly accurate, but I would be surprised if including the smaller operators would change things dramatically as they have, by definition, a smaller number of vehicles.
(That includes Go Ahead, Stagecoach, First, Arriva, Centrebus, Rotala, Transdev, Wellglade, NXWM, WC Motors, McGills, Cardiff, Newport and a few others)

Rather surprised to not see Eclipses on this list. I was just thinking about the amount National Express West Midlands and First has; I was expecting something along the lines of 1. E200 2. B7RLE Eclipse then that same list. Then again afaik no London operators run any Eclipses so it would only be the ones everywhere else in the country. Very interesting though and I appreciate you looking into it. Might also take a quick look now.

Rather surprised to not see eclipses on this list, just thinking about the amount nxwm and first has I was expecting something along the lines of 1. e200 2. b7rle eclipse then that same list. Then again afaik no london operators run any eclipses so it would only be the ones everywhere else in the country. Very interesting though and I appreciate you looking into it. Might also take a quick look now.

I'll also note that by this I mean single decker Eclipses (B7RLE etc)

 

[stevieinselby]

Rather surprised to not see eclipses on this list, just thinking about the amount nxwm and first has I was expecting something along the lines of 1. e200 2. b7rle eclipse then that same list. Then again afaik no london operators run any eclipses so it would only be the ones everywhere else in the country.

London is the big factor. As far as I know, no London operator has had any B7RLEs.
The London fleet is about 3 times the size of all of the Yorkshire fleets combined, for example ... it's big, and so any buses that have seen little or no use in London are unlikely to make it onto the bestseller lists.
It also doesn't help that B7RLEs are split between 4 body types on that list, with the Eclipse 2 and Eclipse Urban accounting for almost all of them. But even adding them together, they don't quite make it to the top 10, although they aren't too far behind.