ushawk
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18644305
An article on the experience of a passenger who was caught up yesterday.
An article on the experience of a passenger who was caught up yesterday.
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tra1nsp0tter
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Taken from the above report...." One tough Glaswegian guy had a huge head cut over his eye, showing blood. I asked him if he was OK and where he got it from. He said when the announcement was made about the fire he immediately opened the train doors and jumped out the train onto the gravel-strewn track"................
Sorry, but that does not make you tough......
Sorry, but that does not make you tough......
I think perhaps congratulations are in order for Network Rail for getting both the WCML and ECML re-opened (to an extent) so quickly. Looking at the damage done to them from the pictures yesterday I was expecting both to be out of commission until later today early tomorrow.
I echo that a lot myself. Incredibly quick to rebuild the track beds after the landslips on the ECML & WCML. As closet comparison i have was when the SVR was badly damaged in 2007 but then quite a lot more of embankment stations and some parts completely destroyed.
Chris
To clear up the confusion about Newcastle Central - yes it is on a viaduct, but also happens to be at the bottom of a relatively steep slope, both from the north and west, which is why it flooded yesterday. Water was coming in from Westmoreland Road and Grainger Street, right down onto Neville Street and into the station. A massive amount of respect to the staff that were on duty yesterday and got the station open again quickly, and also for those who have got some services up and running again so soon.
tsr
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The WCML is closed at Lockerbie, but hopefully one line will reopen soon. A section of OHLE on one of the lines is down and part of a tree may have caused this. One line is potentially available for single-line working, however.
tsr
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Both lines are still blocked due to the extent of the damage that needs to be cleared up.
for those not logged in or members, the pics are on here of the new class 66 offroader 
http://www.wnxx.info/plogger/index.php?level=album&id=342
Be an interesting few weeks in the Highlands mud for the recovery crews or will it just get cut up on site
must have been a hell of a ride, glad the TC are Ok
http://www.wnxx.info/plogger/index.php?level=album&id=342
Be an interesting few weeks in the Highlands mud for the recovery crews or will it just get cut up on site
must have been a hell of a ride, glad the TC are Ok
ushawk
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Apparently the problem with the OHLE at Lockerbie is more serious than first thought so all lines are being blocked, damage is possibly down to a tree.
16.12 Scotrail Glasgow Central to Carlisle/Newcastle service is heaving apparently, would of been the only direct train to Carlisle too.
16.12 Scotrail Glasgow Central to Carlisle/Newcastle service is heaving apparently, would of been the only direct train to Carlisle too.
tsr
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Not terribly clear, but an RAF video of the derailment previously mentioned. The title suggests that the RAF helicopter rescued the driver of the train. Also, towards the end of the video you can see the extent of the landslide that caused the derailment - huge!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-18649237
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-18649237
tsr
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Unfortunately there are inconsistencies in the live information provision tonight between that which is given at stations and that which is displayed online, but, even so, I see what you mean!
Nope, we were passed by four trains heading north. Network rail tweeted at me and said a single line was open.
Anyway, after 3 hours standing we returned to Glasgow. Upon arrival we transferred across platform for a special virgin train to Edinburgh., to connect with ECML trains. Half way to Edinburgh it was announced that instead we would now go back to Euston! We're now enrolee. Train manager doing a sterling job on her own, with no catering crew, no food, no loo paper for the most part. People still complaining at her though...
D1009
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The 1130 Euston was one of the first trains affected and became stranded between two landslips north of Oxenholme. It was eventually returned to Lancaster, and presumably the passengers were able to get to Preston to join 1S85, hence the 15 hour journey from London.
I got caught up in yesterdays problems - plan was to get the 16.40 from Glasgow to Preston and thge 19.58 from there to Rugby.
All went well until 16.30 when I found out that the 16.40 was only going to Carlisle and then it was buses to Preston.
Arrived in Carlisle about 18.00 to find masses of people waiting for buses and spoke to one chap who had been queuing for 90 mins without moving so turned to plan B and boarded the 18.18 to Leeds (along with many others) which was due in at 21.01 which hopefully would connect with the 21.11 XC to Birmingham and get a train from there to Rugby.
Again all going well until Leeds when I found that the 21.11 had been cancelled. Went to customer services and eventually arrangements were made to get peoiple to Sheffield where taxis would be waiting (list of destinations was sent to Sheffield). So onto the 21.37 to Sheffield arrival time 22.59 to find no taxis but now had to join the 23.21 to Derby (arrival time 00.10) where taxis would be waiting.
Thought here we go we are just getting shuffled down the line but low and behold the taxis were waiting and I eventually got home just after 1 am.
The people who were really lucky were those going to London as their plans seemed to be to get a TPE train from Leeds to York and then EC train to London but Northern arranged for the train from Carlisle to run fast from Skipton and we arrived in Leeds at 20.45 and EC held the 20.45 (last departure to London) so people could make the connection.
All went well until 16.30 when I found out that the 16.40 was only going to Carlisle and then it was buses to Preston.
Arrived in Carlisle about 18.00 to find masses of people waiting for buses and spoke to one chap who had been queuing for 90 mins without moving so turned to plan B and boarded the 18.18 to Leeds (along with many others) which was due in at 21.01 which hopefully would connect with the 21.11 XC to Birmingham and get a train from there to Rugby.
Again all going well until Leeds when I found that the 21.11 had been cancelled. Went to customer services and eventually arrangements were made to get peoiple to Sheffield where taxis would be waiting (list of destinations was sent to Sheffield). So onto the 21.37 to Sheffield arrival time 22.59 to find no taxis but now had to join the 23.21 to Derby (arrival time 00.10) where taxis would be waiting.
Thought here we go we are just getting shuffled down the line but low and behold the taxis were waiting and I eventually got home just after 1 am.
The people who were really lucky were those going to London as their plans seemed to be to get a TPE train from Leeds to York and then EC train to London but Northern arranged for the train from Carlisle to run fast from Skipton and we arrived in Leeds at 20.45 and EC held the 20.45 (last departure to London) so people could make the connection.
Whistler40145
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Was 1S85 17:20 BHM-GLC reversed at Preston & routed via Clitheroe?
Also, did I read right that 1M11 was dragged with the Class 90 in the consist from Carlisle to Preston via the S&C?
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Also, did I read right that 1M11 was dragged with the Class 90 in the consist from Carlisle to Preston via the S&C?
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MidnightFlyer
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I believe there was a member of the BBC Scotland team onboard, however I doubt it went via Ravenglass as no Virgin staff sign it, plus I don't think Voyagers are even cleared over the Cumbrian Coast. I believe it ran via the S&C.
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Been away from the forum for about 4 weeks now and just come back to read all of this. I knew what was going on, i had (unfortunately) 4 family members and about 10 friends all on the rail network during the problems and my phone was basically a hot line for about 40 hours with 'what do i do'.
Obviously i stood up to the task but it was farely stressful.
Couple of things to add,
as 142094 says well done to northern and EC it was a fine effort from all involved, and network rail have done absoutely fantastic. (i am currently doing a degree to hopefully one day work for the railways in soils and geotechnics so these events have interested me in that sense)
As he also says, looking at the geography of newcastle it is very easy to see why the station flooded everything drains towads the station before heading down to the river. Like a big bowl with a small outlet at the bottom, the station was in the outlet.
The flooding in newcastle is proof of how the climate is altering, only slightly but it is leaving our victorian drains in no fit state to cope with modern demands, replacing the whole lot is not an option so what do we do? leave everything to flood or do we advance the way we build. Either way if nothing is done this will only happen in other cities time after time and on a much more frequent basis.
Obviously i stood up to the task but it was farely stressful.
Couple of things to add,
as 142094 says well done to northern and EC it was a fine effort from all involved, and network rail have done absoutely fantastic. (i am currently doing a degree to hopefully one day work for the railways in soils and geotechnics so these events have interested me in that sense)
As he also says, looking at the geography of newcastle it is very easy to see why the station flooded everything drains towads the station before heading down to the river. Like a big bowl with a small outlet at the bottom, the station was in the outlet.
The flooding in newcastle is proof of how the climate is altering, only slightly but it is leaving our victorian drains in no fit state to cope with modern demands, replacing the whole lot is not an option so what do we do? leave everything to flood or do we advance the way we build. Either way if nothing is done this will only happen in other cities time after time and on a much more frequent basis.
This was a rare "Super Cell" storm, more often seen in Tornado Alley in the USA, so its no surprise the drains couldn't cope! I hardly think one storm is proof of climate change....
On another subject, this picture shows just how lucky the driver of 66734 was (and how hard it will be to recover)
http://davepurser.smugmug.com/Trains/Trains-June-2012/i-3GrjFq7/0/L/P1020619-L.jpg
Blindtraveler
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Amazing thing was he walked away shocked but unhurt!
Think I aught to add my congrats to VT staff here, I was ö that burning vomiter and at no time at all did I want for information or feel unsafe and long it may have been but they did get
everyone
home.
Think I aught to add my congrats to VT staff here, I was ö that burning vomiter and at no time at all did I want for information or feel unsafe and long it may have been but they did get
everyone
home.
It might be that the prevelance of storms is increasing, but that's a question for a meteorologist, not a marine biologist who sometimes writes books.
hock:Crumbs! You're right there, that's scary.
crewmeal
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According to the BBC weather forecast yesterday, those violent storms in the USA are heading this way, but will be downgraded. Better get prepared 'just incase'
Blindtraveler
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Expected when? Thanks
superb pictures on the Railway Eye of the repairs to the ECML
No bodge job, a swift and full rebuild of the bank
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I realise they might not be so much use to you, but for everyone else, the Met office synoptic charts don't show storms coming across from North America, but do show a depression deepening in the Atlantic, formning a complex forntal system (lots of rain) that will move across the country tommorow, lingering through Wednesday and weakening Thursday
No bodge job, a swift and full rebuild of the bank
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
I realise they might not be so much use to you, but for everyone else, the Met office synoptic charts don't show storms coming across from North America, but do show a depression deepening in the Atlantic, formning a complex forntal system (lots of rain) that will move across the country tommorow, lingering through Wednesday and weakening Thursday
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