Weather Problems

[M60lad]

Flooding at Walsden again according National Rail:

Flooding is causing disruption at Walsden.

Because of this, the following alterations will apply until further notice:

Buses are replacing trains between Hebden Bridge and Rochdale, journey times may be extended by up to 45 minutes
Services from Leeds to Manchester Victoria at 13 minutes past the hour, and from Manchester Victoria to Leeds on the hour, are currently suspended

Services from Leeds to Manchester Victoria which run at 07 minutes past, and 37 minutes past the hour will terminate at Hebden Bridge

Services between York and Blackpool North will run as normal


Is there a reason why Walsden seems to always get affected by flooding whereas the Copy Pit line doesn't seem to for some reason unless I'm wrong

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Flooding at Walsden again according National Rail...Flooding is causing disruption at Walsden....Is there a reason why Walsden seems to always get affected by flooding whereas the Copy Pit line doesn't seem to for some reason unless I'm wrong

The Environment Agency have already carried out some floodwall improvements in the Lower Todmorden to Walsden area as part of the improvements required in the Walsden Water catchment areas to the confluence with the River Calder in Todmorden Town Centre. The natural water drainage of that area is geologically and geographically somewhat removed from the valley in which the Copy Pit line is situated.

There is talk of one months rainfall still to occur in the next 24-48 hours in certain parts of Northern England.

 

[philjo]

Major delays reported on EC due to flooding near Grantham

Flooding is causing disruption between Grantham and Newark North Gate.

Because of this, trains between Peterborough and Doncaster are being delayed by up to 90 minutes. There is no current estimate for when a normal service will resume.

Ticket Acceptance

East Coast passengers are being accepted on CrossCountry, East Midlands Trains, First TransPennine Express and Virgin Trains services on any reasonable routes.

 

[tsr]

Major delays reported on EC due to flooding near Grantham

NR Twitter report that engineers are assessing a flood in the Peascliffe Tunnel. All rail passengers should avoid this route if at all possible (difficult though that may seem), as there are very severe delays.

 

[ChrisTheRef]

NR Twitter report that engineers are assessing a flood in the Peascliffe Tunnel. All rail passengers should avoid this route if at all possible (difficult though that may seem), as there are very severe delays.

EMT report a landslip and flooding in Goneby Tunnel

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Currently watching http://bbarker.co.uk/eastCoast/
showing 1A37 (1515 LDS-KGX), which must be an HST today, running on the Leeds-Selby line.
Probably going via Hambleton to the ECML to avoid the flooding before Doncaster.
About 20 late starting, but arrivals in KGX are showing up to 112min late.

Edit 1655: Fast run via Hambleton up the ECML but now stopped just north of Barkston approaching Grantham.
Edit 1745: Just left Grantham now 85 down.

 

[M60lad]

Not to sure how bad it is but National Rail are now reporting disruption due to landslip at Garswood meaning no trains between Wigan Northwestern and St Helens Central until further notice

 

[trainophile]

Given the weather warnings, I'd recommend that if you can avoid travelling, you do so.

I'm on an Advance ticket so unless the trains aren't running I'll have to try to get home. Not worried if I can't, can easily stay another day or two, but wouldn't like to get turfed off a train because my ticket is for the wrong date.

Using Merseyrail, LM and ATW. Wondering how I'm fixed if one of the three has problems but the other two are business as usual.

 

[Max]

Yorkshire is pretty scuppered at the moment. No trains between Huddersfield and Barnsley or Wakefield and Barnsley due to flooding. Also no trains between Sheffield and Chinley or Leeds and Huddersfield due to signalling problems. North TPE diverting via Normanton.

 

[M60lad]

Out of interest which way are TPE going to run via Normanton? I'm guessing via Wakefield Kirkgate but could be wrong

 

[David]

I guess the flooding in the Doncaster area is getting quite bad now ....

Due to flooding 16.01 York to Kings Cross' 15.45 Leeds to London Kings Cross and 16.45 Leeds to London Kings Cross services are cancelled.

 

[4SRKT]

Out of interest which way are TPE going to run via Normanton? I'm guessing via Wakefield Kirkgate but could be wrong

It will be. I'm on the 16:27 ex-Manchester at the moment so will let you know!



--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Going via Dewsbury. Diversion over!

 

[Welshman]

Is there a reason why Walsden seems to always get affected by flooding whereas the Copy Pit line doesn't seem to for some reason unless I'm wrong

I think its probably also something to do with the fact the valley towards Burnley widens at first at Todmorden [sorry, I can't remember the name of the tributory which occupies it], and the railway line begins to climb up through Portsmouth to Copy Pit, away from the valley bottom. Whereas the line through Walsden to Manchester occupies the Calder Valley proper, and it becomes quite a pinchpoint at Walsden, with road, rail, river and canal squeezed into a narrow valley bottom, before the railway enters Summit tunnel.

 

[Gathursty]

Hmm, I was planning on going Wigan > Crewe > Derby tomorrow making use of a generous split. How likely is it that the Crewe-Derby line will be in use tomorrow or should I try the Hope Valley line instead?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I think its probably also something to do with the fact the valley towards Burnley widens at first at Todmorden [sorry, I can't remember the name of the tributory which occupies it], and the railway line begins to climb up through Portsmouth to Copy Pit, away from the valley bottom. Whereas the line through Walsden to Manchester occupies the Calder Valley proper, and it becomes quite a pinchpoint at Walsden, with road, rail, river and canal squeezed into a narrow valley bottom, before the railway enters Summit tunnel.

Actually, the Calder runs up the valley from Todmorden to Copy Pit, which divides the Yorkshire Calder from - the Lancashire Calder, which runs down through Burnley to join the Ribble.
The Walsden route up to Summit Tunnel is the minor river (haven't got a good enough map to find the name).

I've always been confused when people talk of the Calder Valley, whether they mean the Yorks or Lancs river, or possibly both!

 

[4SRKT]

Hmm, I was planning on going Wigan > Crewe > Derby tomorrow making use of a generous split. How likely is it that the Crewe-Derby line will be in use tomorrow or should I try the Hope Valley line instead?

Derby trains were being cancelled at Crewe this afternoon, but hasn't the Hope Valley also been cut at Chinley?

 

[ushawk]

A summary of all the current problems -

Buses between Chester and Hooton - Flooding at Capenhurst
Buses between Hebden Bridge and Rochdale - Flooding at Walsden
Buses between Wakefield Westgate and Huddersfield - Flooding at Huddersfield
No trains between Stratford-upon-Avon and Whitlocks End - Flooding at Wood End
No trains between Knighton and Llandrindod - Flooding between those stations
Major Delays between Leeds and Doncaster/Leeds - Flooding at Fitzwilliam, Thurnscoe and Outwood
40 minute delays between Barnsley and Wakefield Kirkgate - Flooding at Darton
30 minute delays between Barnsley and Huddersfield - Flooding at Shepley
Buses between Derby and Stoke - Flooding at Uttoxeter
Major Delays between Doncaster and Peterborough - Flooding between Grantham and Newark
Amended service between Nottingham and Grantham - Nottingham - Norwich services diverting via Oakham, Nottingham - Skegness services not calling at Grantham
20 minute delays between Leeds and Huddersfield - Signalling fault at Batley
Ongoing West Highland Line problems

Not much then

 

[YorkshireRider]

Good news for w. yorks is it doesnt look too bad for tomorrow, a few showers but thats it.

 

[PHILIPE]

Derby trains were being cancelled at Crewe this afternoon, but hasn't the Hope Valley also been cut at Chinley?

Chinley was signalling problem

 

[M60lad]

1> Is there a reason why the flooding problems in Huddersfield are only causing problems to Wakefield services

2> Is there a reason why the signalling fault at Batley is taking so long to fix, I know I've read that it was caused by a lightning strike but apart from that what damage has it actually done for it to take a lengthy repair

3> What will the situation be in the morning out of interest or will it be a case of wait and see

 

[David]

2> Is there a reason why the signalling fault at Batley is taking so long to fix, I know I've read that it was caused by a lightning strike but apart from that what damage has it actually done for it to take a lengthy repair

Depends what the lightning has struck. Apart from the OHLE, everything else is designed to operate with low voltages. Rooms full of relays don't like having a sudden burst of several million volts. The tend to fly around the room in spectacular fashion when that happens .....

3> What will the situation be in the morning out of interest or will it be a case of wait and see

No one knows what it will be like in the morning, so wait and see is the best bet.

 

[ATW Alex 101]

Just had the worst rain ever now in Ellesmere port, Capenhurst is shut

 

[marks87]

Out of interest, when a station or stretch of line is only flooded (e.g. Dalmarnock), is it a case of the line re-opens when the railhead is visible, or are there further checks that need to be made?

 

[tsr]

Out of interest, when a station or stretch of line is only flooded (e.g. Dalmarnock), is it a case of the line re-opens when the railhead is visible, or are there further checks that need to be made?

Checks of the stability and any movement of the track and trackbed would surely be done. I imagine any low-lying electrical equipment would also be checked over pretty thoroughly.

In some cases, I suppose retaining walls and embankments may also be checked for damage, so they don't come down after receiving pressure from water/soil saturation, followed by the inevitable vibrations and slight movements caused by trains going past.

 

[crewmeal]

And today is the turn for FGW? BBC forecast says that will be the worst area to be hit.

 

[Welshman]

Actually, the Calder runs up the valley from Todmorden to Copy Pit, which divides the Yorkshire Calder from - the Lancashire Calder, which runs down through Burnley to join the Ribble.
The Walsden route up to Summit Tunnel is the minor river (haven't got a good enough map to find the name).

I've always been confused when people talk of the Calder Valley, whether they mean the Yorks or Lancs river, or possibly both!

I stand corrected, and thank you.
It's still an impressive river though - to run up the valley!

 

[robertclark125]

And as if the weather isn't bad enough, First Hull Trains have, once again, got rolling stock issues, resulting in an amended service on Saturday 7th July. Copied from the NR website, the changes are:

09:48 London Kings Cross to Hull will not run

Passengers travelling to Retford should catch the 10:03 from London Kings Cross to Newark where a taxi will be provided to Retford.
Passengers travelling to Grantham and Doncaster should catch the 10:03 from London Kings Cross to Grantham and Doncaster
Passengers for Hull, Brough, Howden and Selby should catch 10:03 from London Kings Cross to Doncaster for a replacement bus service.




13:30 Hull to London Kings Cross will not run
Passengers from Hull, Brough, Howden and Selby should catch replacement bus / taxi services - (13:30 bus from Hull, 13:42 bus from Brough, 13:56 taxi from Howden, 14:04 taxi from Selby) to Doncaster to connect with the 15:11 to London Kings Cross

Passengers from Doncaster should catch the 15:11 to London Kings Cross
Passengers from Retford should use the taxi at 14:40 to Newark to connect with the 15:03 to London Kings Cross
Passengers from Grantham should catch the 15:16 to London Kings Cross.




17:48 London Kings Cross to Hull will not run
Passengers travelling to Grantham should catch the 18:08 from London Kings Cross to Grantham.
Passengers travelling to Retford and Doncaster should catch the 18:03 from London Kings Cross to Retford and Doncaster
Passengers for Selby, Howden, Brough and Hull should catch the 18:03 from London Kings Cross to Doncaster for a replacement bus service.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I stand corrected, and thank you.
It's still a good river though - to run up the valley!

Yes I know the logic is the wrong way round!
I always get confused with phrases like "true left bank" when talking about rivers.
In my defence, the L&Y is "Up" from Hebden Bridge to Rochdale/Burnley...

 

[starrymarkb]

60 mins delays due to flooding near Totnes

 

[ushawk]

Landslide at Honiton - SWT WoE services split between Exeter and Honiton and between Axminster and London.

Flooding earlier at Sway seems to have generally been sorted with only 25 minute delays now, same for an obstruction on the line at Torre.

And the weather will be moving East throughout the day, wouldnt be surprised if the Midlands and the SE get a battering later on.