CSA - Child Support Agency

[anti-pacer]

Anyone ever had any dealings and problems with these woman-siding parasites?

 

[455driver]

Oh yes, how long you got!

Finally free of them now my kids are 20 and 19.

 

[Johnuk123]

Anyone ever had any dealings and problems with these woman-siding parasites?

Not personally but know someone who has and you're dead right they are totally anti-men.

The whole court/social worker custody farce is so pro women it's criminal but the Government seem very happy for it to stay that way.

 

[Donny Dave]

Not personally but know someone who has and you're dead right they are totally anti-men.

The whole court/social worker custody farce is so pro women it's criminal but the Government seem very happy for it to stay that way.

Well, when you get "men" like my sisters ex husband, you can sort of understand why they go after people like they do ....

 

[Johnuk123]

Well, when you get "men" like my sisters ex husband, you can sort of understand why they go after people like they do ....

Of course you can get men who are akward etc.

You go on the net and research how many stories there are about terrible women who use children as a weapon simply because of jealously.

There are several websites specifically about the massive hurdles put in mens way in custody and other disputes.

Don't think you'll find one about the problems women have because by and large they don't.

 

[anti-pacer]

Of course you can get men who are akward etc.

You go on the net and research how many stories there are about terrible women who use children as a weapon simply because of jealously.

There are several websites specifically about the massive hurdles put in mens way in custody and other disputes.

Don't think you'll find one about the problems women have because by and large they don't.

Oh yeah, my ex uses my 4 year old son as a weapon, so much so I've not seen him for 2 years. She's more than happy to cream me for CSA though.

 

[Johnuk123]

Oh yeah, my ex uses my 4 year old son as a weapon, so much so I've not seen him for 2 years. She's more than happy to cream me for CSA though.

The worst thing about custody battles is when a court makes an order against the woman and they simply ignore it then nothing is done about it.

Forget all the threats of prison it's virtually unheard of for a woman to be jailed for ignoring court orders.

Only last week the papers ran a story about a woman (ex-con, current drug addict,) ignoring 84 court orders and not a thing had been done.

 

[bangor-toad]

Hi there,
*Way* too much experince both personally and professionally.

Do not get mad with them as it won't help. Get knowledgable quickly about the processes. You can get these with a Freedom of Information request.

Or alternatively PM me and we can work out how I'll get a 250Meg file to you...


Once you have this knowledge you can figure out what they are likely to do next and prepare accordingly.


Cheers,
Jason

 

[anti-pacer]

Hi there,
*Way* too much experince both personally and professionally.

Do not get mad with them as it won't help. Get knowledgable quickly about the processes. You can get these with a Freedom of Information request.

Or alternatively PM me and we can work out how I'll get a 250Meg file to you...


Once you have this knowledge you can figure out what they are likely to do next and prepare accordingly.


Cheers,
Jason

Thanks Jason, I will PM you tomorrow. ??????

 

[Zamracene749]

I started typing a reply to this but stopped after three or four far too long paragraphs. The subject is too large, and too upsetting to cover succinctly in a forum reply.

Institutional prejudice, government cash grabbing (CSA) and some of the worst family laws in the world are waiting to turn your life to hell in an instant if you are a father.

All it takes is the whim of the mother

 

[455driver]

The CSA was set up to chase absent parents (whether male or female) that were not paying towards their children. rather than do this not very difficult job they just take the easy answer of attacking* those who are paying as it improves their success rate!

* yes I mean attack, this organisation should start doing what it was set up to do!

I once had a meeting with them (half an hour allocated) but I took so much paperwork with me that it lasted 2 hours and 40 minutes (despite his best efforts to adjourn the meeting ) with the result that we were actually locked in the office building and he had to call security to come and let us out.

A lot can depend which office you are dealing with, in my experience (17 years worth)-

Belfast, complete bunch of <deleted> and I hope they all suffer a long lingering painful death.
Plymouth, slightly more reasonable but still a bunch of <deleted> and I hope they suffer a slightly less painful death.
Falkirk, actually staffed by humans and they do the day job taking into account your personal circumstances and I wish them no harm.

Good luck, you will need it, oh and keep all letters you receive from them and a copy of everything you send to them.

 

[Johnuk123]

All it takes is the whim of the mother

That's it in a nut-shell.

The assumption that the woman is ALWAYS telling the truth and the man is ALWAYS a liar is absolutely set in stone.

Anybody who thinks this isn't true has never dealt with them.
As I have said I have never dealt with them but I am very knowledgeable after watching what somebody else has been put through.

 

[gordonthemoron]

move abroad, foreign absent fathers are too much of a challenge for CSA.

My ex threatened me with CSA so I read up on their website and it transpired that I was paying too much, I've fixed that now so she well and truly shot herself in the foot.

 

[mac]

They are not totally anti men, don't want to go into to many details but my wifes ex has really played to the courts and CSA. They believe everything they are told no matter how many times the other side changes there story.
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Oh yes, how long you got!

Finally free of them now my kids are 20 and 19.

Your lucky now have to pay until aged 20 unless they are working

 

[Johnuk123]

They are not totally anti men, don't want to go into to many details but my wifes ex has really played to the courts and CSA. They believe everything they are told no matter how many times the other side changes there story.

Put it like this for every 100 women who use children as weapons there are probably about 2 or 3 men who do the same.It's not hard to see why as in the vast majority of cases of break-up the woman keeps the kids.She then holds all the cards simply because she always has this massive advantage.
She has all day to drip feed the poison to the kids about how horrible daddy is and he doesn't love them anymore to the point that they can turn against him.

It's been going on for years and it won't change because nobody in power cares one jot that men are virtually always automatically deemed the bad person.

I've seen enough women over the years in court rooms turn on the tears and convince magistrates "it was all that nasty mans fault"

The best magistrates are the female ones as they can often see through the deception.

People who think the law is fair should research the internet it's absolutely crammed with stories of very good men who are denied the chance to see their kids because of women playing the victim.

 

[maniacmartin]

I have experience, but not as a parent.

In my early childhood (early 1990s) my parents separated. After being unable to reach a consensus, the CSA became involved. I recall them being inefficient and slow, but they eventually came up with a monthly maintenance figure that was due. The next day, my dad quit his job as being unemployed would mean he wouldn't have to pay a penny.

My mum took the case to the Family Courts on matter of principle, who agreed with the CSA that my dad wouldn't need to pay anything if he was unemployed (not even a token amount such as £1), and he has been unemployed ever since (there is a marker against his NI number or something so I'd find out if he starts paying NI).

He has now remarried and gets all his income from benefits and the child maintenance his new wife's three ex-husbands pay to here for her various children.:roll: I doubt he will ever work again.

 

[timbo58]

I had a great deal of help from 'families need fathers' a great organisation and one I heartily recommend.
The only advice I can give is:
Don't ever give css original paperwork (like wage slips/tax documents etc) they'll lose it & deny they ever had it.
Take any original stuff they want to the local DWP and get them to send a certified copy at their own expense.

Don't pay late -EVER- they will get a detachment from earnings order within a week if you do (I was paying 2 weeks in advance and fancied paying 2 weeks in arrears instead -they had a DFE within 10 days applied despite being warned that was what I was doing. *******s)

Recognise that the law doesn't equate visitation rights with the amount they are creaming off you, the PWC can shaft you left right & centre on that score but the DWP simply want your money.

If you are employed and in the UK you have no way out: you HAVE to pay, it's only the scumbags who go on the dole or sod off abroad that can get away with their responsibilities.
Easy money targets are trodden on good & proper as they can't do it with those they should!

 

[Temple Meads]

Yes I have experience of them, and quite the opposite to most of the stories on this thread!

Basically my Father decided he didn't want anything (and I mean anything) to do with me just after I was born, and thus my Mum 'set' the CSA on him, he took retirement from his job a few years ago, and then took up employment under, I believe, a zero-hours contract (although that may be incorrect, it was a while ago that my Mum found that out), I do know however that the CSA apparently can't touch him at present, and he owes us in the region of £15,000!

I have no doubt that some Mothers use their children as a weapon for financial gain, but the system can be messed up the other way too.

 

[Johnuk123]

I have no doubt that some Mothers use their children as a weapon for financial gain, but the system can be messed up the other way too.

Of course it can but statistically it's small.

 

[ainsworth74]

Seeing as we're talking about statistics could we perhaps have some from someone on this topic?

 

[455driver]

Yes I have experience of them, and quite the opposite to most of the stories on this thread!

Basically my Father decided he didn't want anything (and I mean anything) to do with me just after I was born, and thus my Mum 'set' the CSA on him, he took retirement from his job a few years ago, and then took up employment under, I believe, a zero-hours contract (although that may be incorrect, it was a while ago that my Mum found that out), I do know however that the CSA apparently can't touch him at present, and he owes us in the region of £15,000!

I have no doubt that some Mothers use their children as a weapon for financial gain, but the system can be messed up the other way too.

Who told you your Father wanted nothing to do with you?
I spent 18 months and £4000 taking my ex to Court so I could see my children, over that 18 months (when she wouldnt allow me to see them at all) she filled their heads with all the "your father hates you", "your Father doesnt want to see you" etc lies which took a lot of sorting out on my part.

If you take what you are told by your Mother (and her side of the Family) as gospel then that is your prerogative but unless your Father told you himself that he didnt want to see you, well you work it out!
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Seeing as we're talking about statistics could we perhaps have some from someone on this topic?

£189 a week take home wage
£110 a week maintenance
£52 a week rent plus gas, electric, council tax, water rates, food, cosrt of running a car (no public transport available etc.

You do the maths!

 

[richw]

I do know however that the CSA apparently can't touch him at present, and he owes us in the region of £15,000!

Does he own a home/property? The CSA will get a charging order against a property on the land registry if pushed hard enough.

 

[bb21]

£189 a week take home wage
£110 a week maintenance
£52 a week rent plus gas, electric, council tax, water rates, food, cosrt of running a car (no public transport available etc.

60% of take-home pay? hock:

I don't profess to know anything about this topic but do those people at the agency live in a parallel universe?

You do the maths!

I think he is referring to Johnuk123's claim that "Of course it can but statistically it's small".

 

[DarloRich]

I do wonder how many people on this thread had competent representation during the break up of their relationship?

(Before anyone starts - i am WELL aware of the CSA & the family court process)

 

[mac]

I think when you are going though court Cafcas are about the worst thing going even compared to the CSA

 

[455driver]

60% of take-home pay? hock:

I don't profess to know anything about this topic but do those people at the agency live in a parallel universe?

I think they do, yes!

I think he is referring to Johnuk123's claim that "Of course it can but statistically it's small".

That bit does read a bit sharp, I will edit it/add a smilie or 2.

Edit-

I have just had a look and I have got 27 assessments from the CSA over the 16 years I was dealing with them!
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I think when you are going though court Cafcas are about the worst thing going even compared to the CSA

had them in as well, they interviewed the kids individually, then the ex, then me, they wanted to interview us together but my ex refused. :roll:

One of my kids said he wanted to live with me, the other wanted to see me every week. What did Cafcas recommend to the Courts?

Once a fortnight because "any further contact with the Father will put undue stress on the relationship between the Mother and her children".

So it didnt matter what the kids or I wanted as long as it didnt upset her!

Yes I did have representation during and after the split but it cost an absolute fortune and once the CSA took their bit I couldnt afford food never mind a solicitor!

 

[radamfi]

The CSA is one of the many reasons why I don't want children. If more men refused to have children, there would have to be a rethink of the current system.

 

[455driver]

The CSA is one of the many reasons why I don't want children. If more men refused to have children, there would have to be a rethink of the current system.

So you are in a long term relationship/ got married and your partner/ wife brings up the subject of children. You make your views completely clear but she insists she wants kids, what do you do-

A/ carry on as you were (wifey is on the pill so no need for you to be careful), unfortunately wifey forgets the pill and ends up pregnant!

B/ wifey is on the pill but you start taking precautions, wifey asks why you are now being careful etc (using the "you dont trust me" line) so you stop and wifey accidentally gets pregnant.

C/ wifey is on the pill but you start taking precautions, wifey asks why you are now being careful etc (using the "you dont trust me" line), you carry on with the precautions and wifey is convinced you are having an afair and have got an illness, divorce beckons unless you can convince her otherwise. Good luck with that one!

D/ wifey isnt on the pill and leaves all that stuff up to you, for God sake keep hold of her!

Me, cynical? Never!

 

[ainsworth74]

That bit does read a bit sharp, I will edit it/add a smilie or 2.

It's all right I've got a thick skin

I have just had a look and I have got 27 assessments from the CSA over the 16 years I was dealing with them!

Christ so nearly more than one a assessment per year. That seems just a little bit on the extreme though then again the way this thread is going perhaps it shouldn't be surprising...

The CSA is one of the many reasons why I don't want children. If more men refused to have children, there would have to be a rethink of the current system.

I refer you to the above answer, unless you can find yourself a partner who never wants children I think this is going to be on a hiding to nothing if you ever want a long term relationship.

 

[455driver]

It's all right I've got a thick skin

I did hear you resembled a rhinoceroses Arse!

Christ so nearly more than one assessment per year. That seems just a little bit on the extreme though then again the way this thread is going perhaps it shouldn't be surprising...

At one stage I was getting 4 a year!

I refer you to the above answer, unless you can find yourself a partner who never wants children I think this is going to be on a hiding to nothing if you ever want a long term relationship.

I thought men in relationships would appreciate that one!