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Old 'Yellow Diamond' dmu mystery

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Taunton

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Grindlay's book "Motive Power Allocations", part 7, dmus, has a photo on page 16 of Met-Cam 'Yellow Diamond' driving trailer car E79264, stated at Swindon Works with very substantial damage to the roof, upper front cab and saloon, almost as if it has been smashed from above like the recent incident on the Cobham Line where a lorry fell from an overbridge onto a train. A black/white photo, it is still in lined green livery with small yellow warning panel. Reduced to a shell, undamaged door and window etc fittings have been cannibalised.

Thing is, these cars never left the Eastern Region, the surroundings don't look like Swindon, there is a lightweight overhead power catenary over the tracks which I don't recall at Swindon, the brake vans around it are not WR types, and E79264 itself appears from the adjacent list to have just been withdrawn in late 1968 along with all the rest of the batch, although the car is clearly one of this pioneer batch.

Anyone any idea where it is (is it a typo for Stratford Works?) and whatever was the accident that led to the substantial damage, which must have caused considerable comment at the time.
 
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There's a comment on page two of the photo which says

"I believe the wires were for traveling gantry cranes in that part of the yard. If I recall they were equipped with electro magnets which aided the loading of wagons with ferrous scrap which was sent far & wide for reprocessing."

Whether or not this is correct, I couldn't say. However, the original photo doesn't look like Swindon Works as, as far as I know, all the buildings were / are stone built?
 

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Thank you all for the pointers, it does appear to be the scrapyard area, which was separated from the works (I believe the sidings were initially put down in 1892 when all the broad gauge stock needed to be disposed of), and the decidedly non-Swindon steel clad building with wires for what were apparently mobile electro magnets for picking up scrap can be seen here

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=s...&ei=chGmVtWRKIWMUeyOjkA#imgrc=JV9FOOAV72xuHM:

One of the other photos is captioned the wires were for the traverser, and although the Swindon traverser did indeed have "trolleybus type" overhead wires for power, they were, like the way the traverser operated, at right angles to the tracks, and only over the traverser itself.

Still the issue of what rather spectacular accident had happened, and why the damaged car had been towed all the way from the ER to Swindon.
 

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I tried
http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/eventlisting.php
for the the Railways Archive accident reports for 1968-72 (1972 being the year of the photo first mentioned), but couldn't find any reports on the ER (the DMU being Norwich-based) that matched the description.

More on the history of the yellow diamond Met-Cam units here:
http://www.railcar.co.uk/type/met-camm-lightweight/summary

And a list of accidents on that site, too
http://www.railcar.co.uk/topic/accidents/?era=60s
but nothing that matched.
 
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Grindlay's book "Motive Power Allocations", part 7, dmus, has a photo on page 16 of Met-Cam 'Yellow Diamond' driving trailer car E79264, stated at Swindon Works with very substantial damage to the roof, upper front cab and saloon, almost as if it has been smashed from above like the recent incident on the Cobham Line where a lorry fell from an overbridge onto a train. A black/white photo, it is still in lined green livery with small yellow warning panel. Reduced to a shell, undamaged door and window etc fittings have been cannibalised.

Thing is, these cars never left the Eastern Region,

Just a thought but as this is a driving motor brake vehicle from the earlier class of Met Camm dmu that came before the more familiar class 101, they had as you say all been withdrawn by the late 60's due to the non standard design, could it perhaps have been then used in departmental service and thus operated on the Western Region in this guise because looking at the deformation around the cab area it would surely have been way out of gauge for a movement from the far flung ER to Swindon remembering that road movement in those days was very uncommon.

Edit: On reading up further it seems the departmental use theory is unlikely, but as this image appears to show a DMBS I wonder if the caption is incorrect and the number should perhaps read E79064?
 
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You appear correct - zoomed in the vertical grab irons either side of the guards door at the back are visible, along with the smaller windows after the rearward passenger door. Both rear doors and grab irons were on the MBS but not the DTS (these units were built second class only). I also recollect that in the green livery, the BR circular logo was on the power cars but not on the trailers. So the number is wrong.
 

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Could a crane driver have misjudged the distance when trying to lift the coach ??
 

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I was thinking the same. It looks like something very heavy such as a scrapped engine has been dropped on the front from a crane. If the accident had occured out on the line and traincrew were present then there would surely be a record in the accident logs available. Also looking at the damage the driver would have surely been injured? If it was a yard accident I suspect whoever did this had the inevitable meeting 'sans biscuits'
 

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Edit: On reading up further it seems the departmental use theory is unlikely, but as this image appears to show a DMBS I wonder if the caption is incorrect and the number should perhaps read E79064?

According to Ashley Butlin's disposal books, 79264 was disposed of to Cohen's in Kettering in 1969, whereas 79064 was scrapped at Swindon Works in June 1972 - so I think you're correct there. It would also appear that it was withdrawn around the same time as many of the other early 'yellow diamond' Met-Camms, so with the lack of any accident report, it makes me wonder if this damage occurred after withdrawal?
 

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According to Ashley Butlin's disposal books, 79264 was disposed of to Cohen's in Kettering in 1969, whereas 79064 was scrapped at Swindon Works in June 1972 - so I think you're correct there. It would also appear that it was withdrawn around the same time as many of the other early 'yellow diamond' Met-Camms, so with the lack of any accident report, it makes me wonder if this damage occurred after withdrawal?

It's certainly beginning to look as if that's the case now isn't it, looking again at the image there doesn't appear to be much or even any rust forming on the damaged areas which would indicate that it hadn't occurred too long before the photo was taken, then again was an alloy rather than steel used here? as Taunton originally posted though why did it end up being taken all the way to Swindon and especially now you've stated the trailer car it was supposed to be (according to the caption) was disposed of at Cohen's scrapyard which was a more logical site and considerably closer to the classes former operating area?
 
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It's certainly beginning to look as if that's the case now isn't it, looking again at the image there doesn't appear to be much or even any rust forming on the damaged areas which would indicate that it hadn't occurred too long before the photo was taken, then again was an alloy rather than steel used here? as Taunton originally posted though why did it end up being taken all the way to Swindon and especially now you've stated the trailer car it was supposed to be (according to the caption) was disposed of at Cohen's scrapyard which was a more logical site and considerably closer to the classes former operating area?

It's also worth noting the driver's door appears to have been removed - this suggests that the doors/windows were probably stripped before the cab was crushed, although I may be wrong. 79064 was one of two of the early Met-Camms to be withdrawn at Norwich in April 1969 and disposed of at Swindon Works - the other being 79063 which is listed as being cut in August 1970.
 

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It's also worth noting the driver's door appears to have been removed - this suggests that the doors/windows were probably stripped before the cab was crushed, although I may be wrong. 79064 was one of two of the early Met-Camms to be withdrawn at Norwich in April 1969 and disposed of at Swindon Works - the other being 79063 which is listed as being cut in August 1970.

That's a fair point and many thanks for all the additional info, do you think it's feasable that the two cars could have gone there for some sort of structural testing or perhaps even an accident/collision exercise after withdrawal from service?
 

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The RCTS Railway Observer reports E79064 amongst 42 dmu coaches stored at Ipswich in August 1969. The next report I found is at Swindon Works on 14 August 1971. No reports about damage, and nothing about where it had been since 1969, or why it had survived when the others had gone for scrap.
 

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The RCTS Railway Observer reports E79064 amongst 42 dmu coaches stored at Ipswich in August 1969. The next report I found is at Swindon Works on 14 August 1971. No reports about damage, and nothing about where it had been since 1969, or why it had survived when the others had gone for scrap.

Interesting, was 79063 also in the list of vehicles at Ipswich?
 

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The RCTS Railway Observer reports E79064 amongst 42 dmu coaches stored at Ipswich in August 1969. The next report I found is at Swindon Works on 14 August 1971. No reports about damage, and nothing about where it had been since 1969, or why it had survived when the others had gone for scrap.


Interesting, was 79063 also in the list of vehicles at Ipswich?


Yes. The full list gives:
E79044/48-52/54/56/58-65/68
M79132/33
E79260/63-69/71/72/74/75/76/78/79/80/83
M79656/65

Plus Cravens coaches M50775/780/713/816
 

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It's also worth noting the driver's door appears to have been removed - this suggests that the doors/windows were probably stripped before the cab was crushed
I don't believe so, for the secondman's front window under the squashed front shows signs of glass shards all round the frame, whereas all the windows to the rear appear to have been properly removed, which to me shows the glass was still in when the accident happened, the undamaged ones being taken out subsequently.

I would think after such a crush the driver's door would be unlikely to remain attached. The car also looks notably clean for one which has been in store for three years in the open, as the others all seem to have been.

I see that many of the Met Cam yellow diamond units were stored at Tilbury for some time after they had been withdrawn, pretty much all together. Here are some weatherbeaten/streaked ones there in early 1971 :

http://www.railcar.co.uk/type/met-camm-lightweight/images
 
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presumably it would have gone to Swindon for parts recovery before being sent to the scrapyard. Those engines / transmissions etc would have been wanted as spares for the rest of the DMU fleet. If the carriage had gone to an external scrap merchant all those valuable parts would have been lost. It would make sense if units with motors went for parts recovery, trailers simply got scrapped externally.
As to why Swindon? Presumably it had spare capacity - breaking up of the hydraulics would have been coming to an end by then. Was there an equivalent sized parts recovery / dismantling site on the Eastern Region?
Another thing to think about - didn't those alloy bodied motor cars carry a lot of asbestos? That may well have been another decider in where to send them for dismantling
 
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