GWR Class 800

[Master29]

The first sets to enter service this autumn are expected to be deployed on Bristol-London services initially.

The 800s are set to start appearing on London-Oxford-Cotswold Line services in place of the Class 180s from the start of next year.

Over the rest of the year, as platform extension work in the Cotswolds and Worcestershire takes place to allow 2x5-car formations to call at the intermediate stops and nine-car Class 802s arrive, they will replace HSTs on this route.

Just out of interest. Why were the 7 802`s from the follow on order not built as 800`s seeing as the originals were. Is it because Newton Aycliffe is working at capacity?

 

[superalbs]

I really like the 395/800/801 design. Swish and modern.

The Class 395s seem a lot nicer, but it could be down to how the yellow panel has been applied.

The Hull Trains, and TransPennine ones both look quite nice, but I sure hope the rumours going around about the VTEC sets having a red front is not true. :cry:

 

[Clarence Yard]

Just out of interest. Why were the 7 802`s from the follow on order not built as 800`s seeing as the originals were. Is it because Newton Aycliffe is working at capacity?

Because they were ordered by FG, not the DfT. FG had options on more 802 build as part of their original order.

 

[Bornin1980s]

Just out of interest. Why were the 7 802`s from the follow on order not built as 800`s seeing as the originals were. Is it because Newton Aycliffe is working at capacity?

The classification does not refer to place of build. Rather, the 800s and 801s are the Intercity Express Program build, and the 802s are from later private sector orders, with different specifications. Both types may be built at any Hitachi plant. The Transpennine 802s will be built at Newton Aycliffe.

 

[Mag_seven]

Another batch of GWML Class 800 tests scheduled for today but all cancelled:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97188/2017/05/22/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97189/2017/05/22/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97191/2017/05/22/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97192/2017/05/22/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97193/2017/05/22/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97194/2017/05/22/advanced

 

[JN114]

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97166/2017/05/22/advanced

This one should be running a bit later however...

 

[D1009]

Another batch of GWML Class 800 tests scheduled for today but all cancelled:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97188/2017/05/22/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97189/2017/05/22/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97191/2017/05/22/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97192/2017/05/22/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97193/2017/05/22/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97194/2017/05/22/advanced

They are scheduled all this week. Also a set was sent from Stoke Gifford to Swansea this morning.

 

[leomartin125]

They are scheduled all this week. Also a set was sent from Stoke Gifford to Swansea this morning.

800002 was in the carriage sidings of North Pole IEP Depot today, with 800003 (I presume) hiding inside with the door open today. Good to see Platform Accomodation testing in the Central region has started, with the focus on the area around Bath Spa. That will be very important to ensure those stations are properly equipped in case of an emergency evacuation.

 

[JN114]

800002 was in the carriage sidings of North Pole IEP Depot today, with 800003 (I presume) hiding inside with the door open today. Good to see Platform Accomodation testing in the Central region has started, with the focus on the area around Bath Spa. That will be very important to ensure those stations are properly equipped in case of an emergency evacuation.

800003 isn't at North Pole... it's presently approaching Chippenham at 112mph....

 

[leomartin125]

800003 isn't at North Pole... it's presently approaching Chippenham at 112mph....

800001 then, they are both plain white, and being inside the Hitachi shed you can't actually see the vinyls at all. 800003 must be based at Stoke Gifford, and I'm guessing 800004 was the unit that went to Swansea?

 

[ExTankieAaron]

The Class 395s seem a lot nicer, but it could be down to how the yellow panel has been applied.

The Hull Trains, and TransPennine ones both look quite nice, but I sure hope the rumours going around about the VTEC sets having a red front is not true. :cry:

I think Virgin are just going to use what's on T58. Their 91Mk4 and HSTs are in a very similar livery.
What I want to know is will they do specials like the battle of Britain and fallen hero's.

 

[BestWestern]

I think Virgin are just going to use what's on T58. Their 91Mk4 and HSTs are in a very similar livery.
What I want to know is will they do specials like the battle of Britain and fallen hero's.

Not sure that WW2 commemorative liveries are going to work particularly well, plastered all over something that's been widely promoted as being Japanese.

 

[ainsworth74]

Not sure that WW2 commemorative liveries are going to work particularly well plastered all over something that's been widely promoted as Japanese.

Well, one of them, 91111, commemorates World War One during which the Japanese were our allies.

 

[BestWestern]

I'm sure Dicky and his PR people will come up with something suitably attention grabbing!

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I don't think military themes have any place on the railway.

 

[Envoy]

I just wish they would stick to the normal livery of the company.

 

[FGW_DID]

I don't think military themes have any place on the railway.

Why not?:roll:

Not prepared to stand behind those who protect us, feel free to stand in front of them!

 

[Plasmanoodle]

They are scheduled all this week. Also a set was sent from Stoke Gifford to Swansea this morning.

I believe it is heading back from Maliphant to Stoke Gifford tomorrow evening.

 

[leomartin125]

I have recieved news via GWR that the ongoing discussions between GWR, RMT and Hitachi regarding buffets onboard the new IET's has reached an agreement at last.

According to the email, the following points have been outlined:

• No Extension of DOO - GWR will not introduce DOO on any additonal routes, DOO will continue to apply in LTV routes, Guards will continue to man doors on HST services, drivers will release doors on IET's.
• Stations - No compulsary redundancies for platform staff as a result of IET introduction, method statements for dispatch of new trains will be drawn up, staff displacement due to changes will be used to best advantage (UBA).
• Buffet provision on IET's - All IET's will have a full kitchen which serves hot and cold food, trolley service will operate in First and Standard and Pullman services will operate on IET's, GWR have worked with Hitachi to establish the costs and seating changes required to impliment a buffet which includes retrofitting existing stock and have come to agreement that buffets will be too expensive to retrofit and build from scratch as well as remove 16 seats per train that could be used otherwise and the adaption of the new sets and existing sets would delay EIS (entry into service) into 2018.

These are the main points, other points are mentioned about the closure of depots in line with the new IET's and also about a new timetable which will start in December.

Overall this is positive news for GWR, as this solves an ongoing issue, but if you like buffets, this may not be what you want to hear.

 

[YorkshireBear]

I have recieved news via GWR that the ongoing discussions between GWR, RMT and Hitachi regarding buffets onboard the new IET's has reached an agreement at last.

According to the email, the following points have been outlined:

• No Extension of DOO - GWR will not introduce DOO on any additonal routes, DOO will continue to apply in LTV routes, Guards will continue to man doors on HST services, drivers will release doors on IET's.
• Stations - No compulsary redundancies for platform staff as a result of IET introduction, method statements for dispatch of new trains will be drawn up, staff displacement due to changes will be used to best advantage (UBA).
• Buffet provision on IET's - All IET's will have a full kitchen which serves hot and cold food, trolley service will operate in First and Standard and Pullman services will operate on IET's, GWR have worked with Hitachi to establish the costs and seating changes required to impliment a buffet which includes retrofitting existing stock and have come to agreement that buffets will be too expensive to retrofit and build from scratch as well as remove 16 seats per train that could be used otherwise and the adaption of the new sets and existing sets would delay EIS (entry into service) into 2018.

These are the main points, other points are mentioned about the closure of depots in line with the new IET's and also about a new timetable which will start in December.

Overall this is positive news for GWR, as this solves an ongoing issue, but if you like buffets, this may not be what you want to hear.

So kitchens but no buffets? Sorry for some reason im confused?

 

[swt_passenger]

So kitchens but no buffets? Sorry for some reason im confused?

It's really just confirmation that they'll be fitted out as ordered, i.e. with kitchens but without buffets.

People have been going on about retrofitting buffets to the DfT spec for about 5 years.

 

[najaB]

People have been going on about retrofitting buffets to the DfT spec for about 5 years.

True. But equally, some people have argued that a full kitchen isn't needed so it's good to see it confirmed that they will keep them and, more importantly, that they will use them for Pullman dining.

 

[ainsworth74]

So kitchens but no buffets? Sorry for some reason im confused?

Think Pendolino without the shop.

 

[ValleyLines142]

I believe it is heading back from Maliphant to Stoke Gifford tomorrow evening.

It just passed my house! Amazing stuff.

 

[jimm]

True. But equally, some people have argued that a full kitchen isn't needed so it's good to see it confirmed that they will keep them and, more importantly, that they will use them for Pullman dining.

Confirmed?

There has never been any doubt the kitchens would be there - they have always been part of the DfT specification for the Class 800s - and GWR confirmed that Pullman dining would continue on the new trains at the event in June last year when 800004 made its debut at Paddington in GWR green.

The brochure issued that day (catering info is on page 11) is here https://www.gwr.com/~/media/gwr/pdf...-new-intercity-express-train-300616.pdf?la=en.

 

[najaB]

Confirmed?

There has never been any doubt the kitchens would be there - they have always been part of the DfT specification for the Class 800s - and GWR confirmed that Pullman dining would continue on the new trains at the event in June last year when 800004 made its debut at Paddington in GWR green.

A year is a long time. It's nice to see that plans haven't changed.

 

[Master29]

So either hot snacks are going to have to be trawled through 1st class or simply won`t happen. Bit of a shame that, and why retrofitted. Most haven`t even been built yet.

 

[broadgage]

A year is a long time. It's nice to see that plans haven't changed.

I too am glad to see that Pullman services are to be retained on the new trains.

It is however IMHO a most regrettable downgrade to remove buffets. A so called intercity train with only a trolley for standard class.
On another forum some years ago I proffered as an opinion, and later stated as a fact that "the new trains wont have buffets"
Such negative views were widely criticised "how do you know, the design is not yet finalised" and so on.
The new trains are now being built and some will soon be in service, they do not have buffets. What a surprise.
Just how far along a full length train will a trolley get, before running out of supplies ?
And most of the fleet are half length and will allegedly run in pairs when required, meaning that the trolley will be in the other half, (no gangways between units on new trains remember)

It was an "essiential requirement" of the design of the new trains that a buffet could be retrofitted in the future, but I don't think that anyone really believes that it will happen.
Some of the criticism was deflected by stating that a second batch of new trains were being built for longer distance services to Cornwall and that these "could" have buffets. Well in theory they COULD but they WONT.

Welcome to the future.

 

[D1009]

It just passed my house! Amazing stuff.

Was it the green one, 800004?

 

[83G/84D]

So the catering arrangements will be similar in standard class as Cross Country then? There's a trolley but if the train is overcrowded it won't be able to get through the train so you will have to get to it, if you can. If you can't tough.

I know you can bring food and drink on the train however this is a retrograde move in my opinion.