Northern Class 170's

[Halish Railway]

Thought that I would make a thread for the Class 170's that will go to Northern.

First of all when will the cascade of 170's to Northern begin?

 

[GaryMcEwan]

Thought that I would make a thread for the Class 170's that will go to Northern.

First of all when will the cascade of 170's to Northern begin?

Where are the 170s expected to come from? Is there anything coming off lease soon?

 

[47802]

Where are the 170s expected to come from? Is there anything coming off lease soon?

Some people need to keep up at the back, Scotrail! and I think the first are supposed to be coming fairly soon presumably when Glasgow-Edinburgh Electrification and Scotrail HST's starts to release 170's.

 

[GaryMcEwan]

Some people need to keep up at the back, Scotrail! and I think the first are supposed to be coming fairly soon presumably when Glasgow-Edinburgh Electrification and Scotrail HST's starts to release 170's.

Aye good luck with that. The way EGIP is going and the delays to that, we'll still have the 170s this time next year...

 

[Halish Railway]

Aye good luck with that. The way EGIP is going and the delays to that, we'll still have the 170s this time next year...

When will 385's begin service?

 

[Domh245]

Aye good luck with that. The way EGIP is going and the delays to that, we'll still have the 170s this time next year...

Depends on how the contracts are written of course. You may need the 170s this time next year, but they may have been forcibly removed. We've seen similar with the GWR>Scotrail HST cascade, GWR could really do with all the HSTs they can get at the moment whilst the IETs are introduced and their internal cascades start to happen, but they've had to release at least two sets.

 

[ainsworth74]

First of all when will the cascade of 170's to Northern begin?

From what I've heard in theory they should be arriving in December 2017 and in service by May 2018 but possibly before that. Also this is subject to change due to delays getting them off ScotRail but I believe that at least one set is due to arrive very soon to enable training to begin even if others don't start trickling through for a while yet.

 

[PHILIPE]

When will 385's begin service?

Suggest you catch up with this thread. As it's rather long preferable to just look at the latest pages to find out the latest news

www.railforums.co.uk/threads/scotrail-class-385-discussion.126141

 

[GaryMcEwan]

When will 385's begin service?

It was meant to be May this year, then December of this year, now it's apparently next year. It's something of a bad joke just now.

 

[ainsworth74]

Let's leave the 385 discussion at that shall we and move to the thread that's been linked for anything further

 

[driver_m]

Are they all 4 cars what are coming down here?

 

[GaryMcEwan]

Are they all 4 cars what are coming down here?

The ones that should be coming from Scotrail will be coming a 3 car formation I would imagine. Do Northern have plans to turn them into 4 car? Anyone know what numbers are going? They just recently done up 170470 and 170471.

 

[ainsworth74]

Are they all 4 cars what are coming down here?

There are no 4-car 170s only a mixture of 3-car and 2-car. Those currently with ScotRail are all 3-car so I would assume will be coming to Northern in 3-car formation and staying that way.

There are 4-car 171s which, to be fair, are basically 170s just with different couplers however none of them are subject to being transferred to Northern.

 

[IanXC]

The ones that should be coming from Scotrail will be coming a 3 car formation I would imagine. Do Northern have plans to turn them into 4 car? Anyone know what numbers are going? They just recently done up 170470 and 170471.

This thread https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/northern-unit-refurbishments.128846/ reports its:

Class 170s:
170453, 170454, 170455, 170456, 170457, 170458, 170459, 170460, 170461, 170472, 170473, 170474, 170475, 170476, 170477, 170478

 

[GaryMcEwan]

This thread https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/northern-unit-refurbishments.128846/ reports its:

Thank god they're the ones that are going. Pretty certain these are the ones where Scotrail didn't fit plugs and lack First Class completely.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Thank god they're the ones that are going. Pretty certain these are the ones where Scotrail didn't fit plugs and lack First Class completely.

Presumably those are the ones that were initially delivered in SPTE colours then? Including the few "freebies" supplied as compensation for delays in delivering the rest!

 

[lejog]

Sixteen Class 170/4s will transfer from ScotRail to Northern next year, starting with four in February, followed by a further six in July, with the final six moving south in November.

Rail (UK) 16 Aug 2017

 

[lammergeier]

It'll be a big step up in quality for Northern, I've always liked the saloon of the Scotrail 170's and they're far better than probably anything that Northern runs

 

[route101]

It'll be a big step up in quality for Northern, I've always liked the saloon of the Scotrail 170's and they're far better than probably anything that Northern runs

They are pretty comfortable to be fair , 385s arent gonna match on comfort levels

 

[wyorks]

What lines are they going to be used on?

 

[507021]

What lines are they going to be used on?

They'll be used on the Leeds-Manchester Victoria-Southport route and the Harrogate Line.

 

[Halish Railway]

They'll be used on the Leeds-Manchester Victoria-Southport route and the Harrogate Line.

Apparently they might initially work the Leeds to Chester service so that they can compete with the Manchester Airport to Llandudno service.

 

[xotGD]

They'll be used on the Leeds-Manchester Victoria-Southport route and the Harrogate Line.

Harrogate folk should count themselves lucky that their line hasn't been electrified otherwise they would be squeezing into the seats on a 333 rather than chillaxing on a 170.

 

[D365]

Harrogate folk should count themselves lucky that their line hasn't been electrified otherwise they would be squeezing into the seats on a 333 rather than chillaxing on a 170.

Or a "DLR Train"

 

[PrinceBishop]

Apparently they might initially work the Leeds to Chester service so that they can compete with the Manchester Airport to Llandudno service.

Thought that was a Northern Connect route. Won't that be using the 195s? Or have things changed?

 

[Halish Railway]

Harrogate folk should count themselves lucky that their line hasn't been electrified otherwise they would be squeezing into the seats on a 333 rather than chillaxing on a 170.

Have you not seen how crowded those trains get? A three car train will not solve the overcrowding issue.

 

[Halish Railway]

Thought that was a Northern Connect route. Won't that be using the 195s? Or have things changed?

It may be 170's then once delivered, the route will be 195 operated. It's just that Northern want the service to be operated by good trains.

 

[47802]

Have you not seen how crowded those trains get? A three car train will not solve the overcrowding issue.

Yes but they will be running 4 trains per hour instead of 2 between Leeds and Harrogate, and one of those trains every 2 hours will be an IET

 

[Bletchleyite]

170s can meet Northern Connect standard, not all Northern Connect services will be new DMUs.

 

[47802]

170s can meet Northern Connect standard, not all Northern Connect services will be new DMUs.

Well yes but from what we have herd so far it doesn't look like they will be using them on Connect services