LNER Azuma (Class 800/801)

[43096]

Unfortunately the unit numbers applied were the same colour as the background.....
Reminds me of Tommy Cooper - "I have some blue socks, with blue spots...".

Think some people need an eyesight upgrade, then.

 

[59CosG95]

WNXX have reported that 801104 & 801106 are now fully assembled at Newton Aycliffe.

 

[High Dyke]

If the information from LNER Control is correct all their training runs have been suspended, only the GBRf mileage accumulation trips are still running - yes already referenced a couple of page back. Seemingly LNER and Hitachi have fallen out with one another.

 

[realnovice]

Or LNER are caught in the middle between the DfT and Hitachi over the interference problems?

 

[800001]

WNXX have reported that 801104 & 801106 are now fully assembled at Newton Aycliffe.

It is actually 800104 and 800106 (800102 is also outside).
These are 9 car bi-modes are able to be id'ed by paperwork in windows, cab, and by bogie plates.

 

[59CosG95]

It is actually 800104 and 800106 (800102 is also outside).
These are 9 car bi-modes are able to be id'ed by paperwork in windows, cab, and by bogie plates.

Ahh my mistake.

 

[thejuggler]

800111 departed Leeds today at 11.45. Looking smart, but running in diesel mode.

 

[Whistler40145]

Is there any news on resolving the Azuma fleet interference with lineside equipment?

 

[59CosG95]

800112 has now emerged from Newton Aycliffe, partially wearing the new livery.

 

[yorkie]

Please, no more discussion regarding seating. Please use an existing thread (if there is one) or create a new one (if there isn't) to discuss seating.

I have moved some posts from this thread into: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/telegraph-article-regarding-ironing-board-seating.174981/

 

[800001]

800112 has now emerged from Newton Aycliffe, partially wearing the new livery.

800112 is a Japanese assembled unit delivered direct to Doncaster. This has not come from Aycliffe.

 

[Pete_uk]

The GWR 800s have angled connection boxes.

 

[800001]

The GWR 800s have angled connection boxes.

Exactly the same as the ones which are on LNERs. No difference.

 

[w1bbl3]

and the 395's have basically the same cabling arrangement. The difference being the far shorter gangway between cars and that what can best be described as curved "modesty" panels are fitted to each car end at the jumper locations.

I do wonder if the need to stay in gauge with the longer car length specified in the IEP tender is root cause behind the issue..

 

[Pete_uk]

Exactly the same as the ones which are on LNERs. No difference.

I thought there was a problem reguarding them being square which might alow morons to climb them

 

[59CosG95]

800112 is a Japanese assembled unit delivered direct to Doncaster. This has not come from Aycliffe.

My apologies James.

Indirectly related to LNER developments, all HSTs are now LNER branded. 91101 and DVT 82205 (the Flying Scotsman pair) are still carrying Virgin logos.

 

[59CosG95]

News digest for today:
801101 & 801102 have been running around as a pair for the last two days, and both 800111 & 800103 were out to play around Peterborough today.
800103 has also

• received external labels showing seat numbers & disabled spaced
• had its interior fitted, and is the first Azuma to be treated as such.

 

[corsaVXR]

Photo of first class interior shared

https://twitter.com/dannyg774/status/1075293590266527746

 

[samuelmorris]

Photo of first class interior shared

https://twitter.com/dannyg774/status/1075293590266527746

Marketing department trying their best to bat away the criticism there but that will only work so long until people try it for themselves! I do really wonder if first class ought to be labelled as 'priority seating' or something of the likes now we're at a point where it's such a minimal difference from standard.

 

[AlexNL]

Compared to the leather upholstering which VTEC put in the current fleet, this looks a bit bland.

 

[urpert]

Marketing department trying their best to bat away the criticism there but that will only work so long until people try it for themselves! I do really wonder if first class ought to be labelled as 'priority seating' or something of the likes now we're at a point where it's such a minimal difference from standard.

I did laugh at the denial in the face of a photo of the identical seats from a GWR 800...

 

[59CosG95]

91101 and DVT 82205 (the Flying Scotsman pair) are still carrying Virgin logos.

To update again, 91101 just ran light past Peterborough en route to Wabtec at Doncaster from Bounds Green - its Flying Scotsman livery looks fairly ex-works, and it now bears LNER logos rather than Virgin logos. One can assume that 82205 will be similarly treated in due course.

 

[SHerr]

I did laugh at the denial in the face of a photo of the identical seats from a GWR 800...

I did think the same, but they do seem very confident - either as some have suggested ex Virgin positive or at all costs or maybe they have actually upgraded the standard seat with more padding and are going to surprise us all.

On a slightly different matter - it’s the first time I’ve really looked at seating capacity in First - are they the same layouts as the GWR IETs? If so then they are more than 1 full coach less first class than a 225 and just under 1 full coach less than a HST. I know they are longer but counting seats on the GWR website they are way down. LNER generally has decent 1st class loadings so could all be going to be a bit of a squeeze even compared to pre Mallard re-fit and turning the buffet etc.

 

[leedstraindude]

I did think the same, but they do seem very confident - either as some have suggested ex Virgin positive or at all costs or maybe they have actually upgraded the standard seat with more padding and are going to surprise us all.

On a slightly different matter - it’s the first time I’ve really looked at seating capacity in First - are they the same layouts as the GWR IETs? If so then they are more than 1 full coach less first class than a 225 and just under 1 full coach less than a HST. I know they are longer but counting seats on the GWR website they are way down. LNER generally has decent 1st class loadings so could all be going to be a bit of a squeeze even compared to pre Mallard re-fit and turning the buffet etc.

A nine coach azuma will have two half coaches and one full coach of first. The seat count is 99 I think in first as I recall which is only about 13 seats less than a hst. I don’t know mk4 numbers off hand. They will seat about a hundred more in standard though. The fives I think are two half coaches of first. But the plan is for them to only run as tens we keep getting told.

 

[Master29]

A nine coach azuma will have two half coaches and one full coach of first. The seat count is 99 I think in first as I recall which is only about 13 seats less than a hst. I don’t know mk4 numbers off hand. They will seat about a hundred more in standard though. The fives I think are two half coaches of first. But the plan is for them to only run as tens we keep getting told.

I thought it was 101 first on an east coast 9 car but there seems to be no official info anywhere about this. If the fives are going to run as 10 car what was the point in them being 5`s in the first place?

 

[SHerr]

A nine coach azuma will have two half coaches and one full coach of first. The seat count is 99 I think in first as I recall which is only about 13 seats less than a hst. I don’t know mk4 numbers off hand. They will seat about a hundred more in standard though. The fives I think are two half coaches of first. But the plan is for them to only run as tens we keep getting told.

Thanks, that looks more sensible. The GWR seating plan looks like it only has a MF and a DPTF where Wikipedia says there’s also a MC.

 

[samuelmorris]

A nine coach azuma will have two half coaches and one full coach of first. The seat count is 99 I think in first as I recall which is only about 13 seats less than a hst. I don’t know mk4 numbers off hand. They will seat about a hundred more in standard though. The fives I think are two half coaches of first. But the plan is for them to only run as tens we keep getting told.

That's confirmed for LNER is it? I assumed they were running 5-cars on whatever the equivalent of the stopping Newark/York services is and the Lincoln service.

 

[class26]

A nine coach azuma will have two half coaches and one full coach of first. The seat count is 99 I think in first as I recall which is only about 13 seats less than a hst. I don’t know mk4 numbers off hand. They will seat about a hundred more in standard though. The fives I think are two half coaches of first. But the plan is for them to only run as tens we keep getting told.

If only running as tens why not build them as tens without the cab duplication ?
I think the plan is that the Lincoln and Middlesborough trains will split at Newark and run as five`s to their respective destination

 

[swt_passenger]

If only running as tens why not build them as tens without the cab duplication ?
I think the plan is that the Lincoln and Middlesborough trains will split at Newark and run as five`s to their respective destination

Doesn’t the EC franchise get exactly enough full length trains to replace their previous fleet, (maybe except for hire-ins), and all the 5 cars are effectively extras, whether running singly or in multiple? Seems to be a very different situation to GWR anyway...

 

[kje7812]

Doesn’t the EC franchise get exactly enough full length trains to replace their previous fleet, (maybe except for hire-ins), and all the 5 cars are effectively extras, whether running singly or in multiple? Seems to be a very different situation to GWR anyway...

According to wiki, 30 9-car 801 and 12 5-car 801s for the 31 Mk4+91 sets, and 13 9-car and 10 5-car 800s for the 14 HSTs. So yes, LNER end up with more than they started with.