Fair enough, may very well be the case I guess.I'd suggest the opposite.
Fair enough, may very well be the case I guess.I'd suggest the opposite.
Despite all the howls of protest on here, the videos and pictures I’ve seen of the trespassers seem to be 50+, the video I referenced above for example, was taken by a Doctor who certainly appears to fit that age bracket.
Also another video of the train passing through a platform at speed with a bunch of middle aged men with their (in no way compensating) massive zoom lenses and ladders (!!!!) kneeling right on the edge of the coping stones.
The families with young kids and what’s rather arrogantly dismissed as the “Facebook generation,” have all seemed to be the right side of line-side fences and behind the lines on platforms.
Yes, in the Tamworth, Wichnor Jct, Stenton Jct areas there were numerous trespassing incidents, causing considerable delays to normal workings.Was there an actual incident ?
Despite all the howls of protest on here, the videos and pictures I’ve seen of the trespassers seem to be 50+, the video I referenced above for example, was taken by a Doctor who certainly appears to fit that age bracket.
Also another video of the train passing through a platform at speed with a bunch of middle aged men with their (in no way compensating) massive zoom lenses and ladders (!!!!) kneeling right on the edge of the coping stones.
The families with young kids and what’s rather arrogantly dismissed as the “Facebook generation,” have all seemed to be the right side of line-side fences and behind the lines on platforms.
The Derbytelegraph website report shows a video where the "big camera" people are standing behind the yellow line as FS passes through the station and there's a still which clearly shows "normal" people trespassing on the lineside in the still photo below. Of course, there are exceptions, but like I said above, there aren't the same problems when the media hasn't hyped up a particular working, and the "enthusiastics" who appear so dispised are more likely to rely on realtimetrains than wait for a social media hyping-up report.
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/burton/trains-forced-stop-flying-scotsman-2835566
The same thing happens when railtours arrive at their destination and on preserved railways where as soon as the train stops, everyone rushes to the front of the train to get a shot. Those with "proper" camera equipment know that you have to stand back a bit to get a reasonable shot, but the iPhone merchants, because of the massive wide angle perspective of their camera phones, need to be no more than two feet away from the loco otherwise it seems that they were taking the shot from a different County. Then add in the "stand in front of the kettle for a memorable photo" brigade and you end up with the possibility photographers falling onto the track to avoid all the phones held at arm's length.
Unfortunately what happens is that photographers will position themselves well in advance of the arrival of a special train (including those hauled by FS), then latecomers and Joe Public turn up with their phones, tablets and "once in a blue moon" cameras. These people tend not to think like photographers, i.e. "Am I making the most of the shot and its it possible that I might be in the way of other people?" they think the best possible position is as close to the edge of the platform as possible, or they'll position their offspring/grandchildren as close to the platform edge as possible so they can get the shot "...Wiv de Flying Skotsman in de bakground innit".
This royally ****s up the shots for the photographers, so an arms race ensues with each group trying to get as close to the platform edge as possible, culminating in people leaning precariously over the edge to avoid getting a tattooed arm holding an iPad in the shot.
The same thing happens when railtours arrive at their destination and on preserved railways where as soon as the train stops, everyone rushes to the front of the train to get a shot. Those with "proper" camera equipment know that you have to stand back a bit to get a reasonable shot, but the iPhone merchants, because of the massive wide angle perspective of their camera phones, need to be no more than two feet away from the loco otherwise it seems that they were taking the shot from a different County. Then add in the "stand in front of the kettle for a memorable photo" brigade and you end up with the possibility photographers falling onto the track to avoid all the phones held at arm's length.
This is how you can see the Flying Scotsman in Derby and Burton today
The famous steam engine the Flying Scotsman is passing through Derbyshire and East Staffordshire today - and there will be plenty of chances to see it.
The good news for those living in and around Derby and Burton is that they will soon be able to watch the world-famous engine.
And there's plenty of notice being given for you to pick out a good spot to enjoy what promises to be a specular view of the green and black locomotive.
The iconic train will be traveling from York to London Paddington tomorrow, taking in the sights of Burton, as well as Derby, along the way. It is sure to attract big crowds along its route.
And for those wanting to get the best view and pictures the expected times the engine will be travelling through both Derby and Burton have now been released.
The first place to spot the engine is at Chesterfield South at 12.43pm. It will then be at Clay Cross North by 12.48pm, Ambergate at 1.04pm, St Mary's South Junction at 1.13pm before it makes its way through Derby at 1.16pm.
London North Western, Derby, is the next location at 1.18pm, Stenson at 1.23pm and North Stafford at 1.24pm before it goes to Burton.
It is set to head through the Clay Mills junction at 1.27pm and into Burton at 1.30pm, according to Real Time Trains.
It is set to pass through Wyncor at 1.36pm before continuing on to Tamworth.
Maybe a blanket ban on exact timings (Unless you know where to look. Don't mention these site's) until about 2 hours in advance so the press will just have to say Train X will be here on Saturday.this is part of the problem: local news sites giving timings for where the train is going to be
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/burton/flying-scotsman-burton-derby-london-2792810
Its encouraging people to get in the way
this is part of the problem: local news sites giving timings for where the train is going to be
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/burton/flying-scotsman-burton-derby-london-2792810
Its encouraging people to get in the way
Network RailIt would be a real shame for it to have to happen but, if the NRM decides not to withdraw Flying Scotsman from the mainline, out of interest which organisation would have the authority to ban it?
They quoted timings taken directly from Realtimetrains. (maybe they are enthusiasts) That should generate traffic and potential income to that website - this is a good thing.
A local news site reporting local news - Yep, that's their job.
It gives multiple locations to view from - not encouraging crowding, probably a good thing.
I can't see them encouraging people to trespass or get in the way.
Heritage rail needs to be supported. The more who go to see it the better. This will help when it comes to funding and can help to generate income for heritage sites, museums, railways, memorabilia etc.
The situation is somewhat different compared to the 1960s. Back then, many places had fewer/slower/noisier trains, so it was less likely that passengers would come to harm as they would either encounter no other trains or would have more time to avoid them. Cameras were also much more expensive, so it was less likely to have crowds of people trying to take photos or videos, and losing all situational awareness in doing so. See that infamous near miss video with the class 170 at a foot crossing for the perfect example of this behaviour. Finally, someone getting clobbered by a train due to trespass in 1960 would perhaps not have invoked the same legal/PR nightmare that it would today.Is this just a modern phenomenon? I have somewhere in a book -- I'll try to find it -- a photograph of railway enthusiasts all over the platform ramp, the track and the six-foot back in the 1960s at a Southern region station, Chichester perhaps.
The very act of posting the timings and suggested viewing locations exacerbates the problem.
As for supporting heritage rail.........standing by the lineside taking photos contributes exactly zero income "for heritage sites, museums, railways, memorabilia etc.". Its pure parasitism
Considerable = 100 minutes, just for that incident!Yes, in the Tamworth, Wichnor Jct, Stenton Jct areas there were numerous trespassing incidents, causing considerable delays to normal workings.
Considerable = 100 minutes, just for that incident!
And then another 26 when the loco threw a hissy fit at Tyseley, and blew its water injector.
It would be a real shame for it to have to happen but, if the NRM decides not to withdraw Flying Scotsman from the mainline, out of interest which organisation would have the authority to ban it?
It would be a real shame for it to have to happen but, if the NRM decides not to withdraw Flying Scotsman from the mainline, out of interest which organisation would have the authority to ban it?
Network Rail
Maybe a blanket ban on exact timings (Unless you know where to look. Don't mention these site's) until about 2 hours in advance so the press will just have to say Train X will be here on Saturday.
Considerable = 100 minutes, just for that incident!
And then another 26 when the loco threw a hissy fit at Tyseley, and blew its water injector.
I believe it is the impact minutes.Is that total minutes (including the impact minutes) ?
Despite all the howls of protest on here, the videos and pictures I’ve seen of the trespassers seem to be 50+, the video I referenced above for example, was taken by a Doctor who certainly appears to fit that age bracket.
Also another video of the train passing through a platform at speed with a bunch of middle aged men with their (in no way compensating) massive zoom lenses and ladders (!!!!) kneeling right on the edge of the coping stones.
The families with young kids and what’s rather arrogantly dismissed as the “Facebook generation,” have all seemed to be the right side of line-side fences and behind the lines on platforms.
The timings are publicly available.
There's a massive difference between publicly announcing the details across all kinds of social media platforms, as opposed to people who are genuinely interested doing their own research to find them.