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Given sensitivity around the term ‘Vaccine Passport’, the new digital document will be called
Certificate Of Vaccination ID
Certificate Of Vaccination ID
So 54 million will get the vaccine offer as under 18 don’t get it. Those with allergies can’t take it and some others don’t take it maybe 20% maybe 5 million so what next?
*Vaccine passports? Would they allow a nasal spray as an alternative to travel? A negative COVID test? Or is it no jab no fly? Would it be every single country world wide?
*Would vaccine passports be forever like airport security or short term to see how the virus is?
*Lockdown has seen an increase of suicides and depression how would someone have any quality of life if they were banned from weddings pubs football and holidays. Effectively living in lockdown? Now would this be short term or forever?
*If the government don’t vaccinate everybody every year what then? What if it’s at risk groups only then someone unvaccinated is the same as someone who had the vaccine but the protection has expired?
*What exemptions would there be for vaccines to travel? Would it cover any mental health issues?
*Vaccine passports in development are digital what if you don’t have a smart phone? How do they know the passport is genuine if it’s paper?
*How would EU countries deal with 5 million barred Brits and possibly many more in Eu countries as I heard take up is low in France? Would it be the end of EU’s open borders? Are they going to stop cars crossing the border and have border checks?
*What do you do if you have 5 million who can’t take it for health reasons or other what do you do about the rapid increase of suicides with people who have nothing left and even banned from weddings? Two tier society?
or would better treatments possibly oral vaccines be the future or even single dose vaccines maybe better testing would this be the future and options will improve or are we stuck in a two jab every year society forever?
We need an open debate in society about this ..
It may be the case that governments offer it free to those at high risk, but individuals who need it because they want to travel abroad will still be able to get it privately.
The yellow fever vaccine is not available for free on the NHS, so you'll have to pay for it.
It typically costs around £60 to £85.
Fair enough about the yellow fever one. But do you think it will be every country or do you see it being a small number medium number or large number? And which ones at a guess? Greece Australia is ones I can name off hand at the moment?Erm, Greece is not an island.
That will be a decision that individual countries in Europe will need to make. Personally I doubt that they'll have internal controls on movement and will be more likely (if at all) to require it on entry to the Schengen Zone (similar to how a visitor now may go through full customs formalities on arrival in Europe but then won't need to worry whilst inside the zone).
Just as with a Yellow Fever vaccine I'm sure anyone who needs a vaccine for the purposes of travel will be able to arrange to have one privately.
I'm not sure there's any evidence of that. As has been stated previously on this thread if you need to travel to a country that requires a Yellow Fever vaccine certificate you get the vaccine privately. If any country intends to require visitor to have a Covid vaccine then I'm sure exactly the same (or at least broadly similar) arrangements would apply as do for Yellow Fever.
To be fair I did see Ryan air say no passports but Qatar airways says they will require vaccination I guess these companies have a heads up on what’s coming.And the Yellow Fever vaccine is not free on the NHS.
Yellow fever - Vaccination
Find out about the yellow fever vaccine, including who should have it, where to get it, how much it costs, and what side effects it can cause.www.nhs.uk
So I think it will depend on whether in future the COVID-19 vaccination is deemed necessary for public health reasons in the UK, in which case it will be free on the NHS.
If the vaccine is required solely for travel purposes, then it is likely that it will be available at a small charge.
I suspect that the government will try and negotiate with the EU to come to an arrangement where vaccine passports are not compulsory, once sufficient number of people have been vaccinated to build up herd immunity.
Long haul destinations such as Australia, New Zealand and the United States are more likely to require vaccine passports for longer, but if you can afford to fly there you can afford £50 or so for a vaccine.
The call for an open debate in society about this, is probably academic if the restrictions are imposed by a country you are thinking about visiting. They are entitled to do what they judge right to protect their citizens. If you are uncomfortable with what they require, you could always write to their Embassy. But I doubt they’ll give a toss. I’d probably just strike that country off your list of prospective destinations.
What about the rest of the world then?The Council of Europe is passing a resolution the specifically forbids discrimination based on vaccine status.
Cool so it would mean Europe wide? Wonder what other countries will doThe Council of Europe is passing a resolution the specifically forbids discrimination based on vaccine status.
How do you expect me to know?What about the rest of the world then?
All countries that are signatory to the Council of Europe, which includes the UK.Cool so it would mean Europe wide? Wonder what other countries will do
So what does it mean exactly that they can’t demand a vaccine on entry in Europe? What about travel companies and airlines/trains is that included? And is there a link to it?How do you expect me to know?
All countries that are signatory to the Council of Europe, which includes the UK.
I don't actually expect you to know what each country intends. My point was simply that the rest of the world is free to impose such restrictions as it judges right.How do you expect me to know?
All countries that are signatory to the Council of Europe, which includes the UK.
The interim period between the 8 defined groups getting vaccination and all adults will be interesting. There may be many younger populations happy to be vaccinated but unable to get access to have one and potentially unable to travel which is quite an unfair set of circumstances whilst older generations are able to jet off wherever. I don't think that will be at all popular, and honestly, I don't think it likely but its not a situation that's completely unfeasible.
I think the biggest issue will come with the vaccinated not following the local rules rather than flying off on holiday
I'm in my 30's but will shortly get the vaccine due to having type 1 diabetes. My parents and grandparents have already been vaccinated so when we have all been done what is to stop us all meeting up indoors for lunch? In about a months time we will be about as protected as we are likely to get.
I'm not actually intending to do that as it would be unfair on the young with no existing health conditions who have made big sacrifices for us over the last year. However if others don't do the same then it could cause some resentment and problems for the goverment.
I'm not actually intending to do that as it would be unfair on the young with no existing health conditions who have made big sacrifices for us over the last year. However if others don't do the same then it could cause some resentment and problems for the goverment.
As I understand it (correct me if I’m wrong), but the vaccine doesn’t prevent you contracting coronavirus, it just limits the severity of the infection?Just some points that I have thought of after reading this thread:
I can see that international travel as a whole would only return to normal in 2022 as the number of cases in most countries is perceived to be high, however, some travel corridors will be back by the summer (May/June onwards), and this time to be on a more permanent basis.
- EU travel - As we are no longer part of the EU we can only hope to be treated to exemptions from any potential rules that they impose such as the requirement to be vaccinated to travel freely. However, the likelihood of that sort of restriction is limited as the number of people from the UK who travel to the EU is high so countries would lose out on income from tourism.
- Worldwide travel - Countries do have the right to choose their entry requirements but many will unlikely use vaccination status as part of this - especially if their economy relies heavily on tourism from around the world.
- Airlines - Airlines would have the right to choose whether they carry people without vaccinations as they can update their conditions of carriage. However, if this would severely impact their income would they do this.
They don't, which is why most countries didn't have something in place by the beginning of their rollouts. Airlines that insist on vaccinations are going to find their customer bases greatly reduced.As I understand it (correct me if I’m wrong), but the vaccine doesn’t prevent you contracting coronavirus, it just limits the severity of the infection?
So how do ‘Vaccinated only’ airlines prevent their customers mingling with the ‘unclean’ in the departure lounge, passport control, airport retail units etc ???
I'm sorry, those timescales are unacceptable, we need a rapid return to normality now there are vaccines. Dragging this unscientific misery out for any longer is a crime against humanity.I can see that international travel as a whole would only return to normal in 2022 as the number of cases in most countries is perceived to be high, however, some travel corridors will be back by the summer (May/June onwards), and this time to be on a more permanent basis.
I agree. But international travel is not a right and countries do have the right to decide their border policy. International travel will return this year but probably not to every country in the world.I'm sorry, those timescales are unacceptable, we need a rapid return to normality now there are vaccines. Dragging this unscientific misery out for any longer is a crime against humanity.
Vaccine passport for shops could happen, says Dominic Raab
Shops and restaurants could require people to show vaccine passports under plans being considered by the government, the foreign secretary has suggested.Dominic Raab said that the government was considering their use at the “domestic or local level”. His comments appear to put him at odds with Downiwww.thetimes.co.uk
They're considering Vaccine Passports to go shopping / pubs / restaurants and even domestic travel.
Not happy in the slightest if this is true, I'm at the very bottom of the vaccine queue so this doesn't sound like good news for those waiting ages for a vaccine.
Wouldn't mind it if we all had the opportunity to get the jabs before they consider implementing this, but if they implemented this before everyone had the chance to get a vaccine then that's discriminative. Hopefully they do it after everyone's vaccinated and not beforehand.Fortunately, this government is so incompetent at that sort of thing that there's very little chance they could get a system in place in any realistic timescale.
And how would that work if people can't get a vaccine? "Sorry you are not allowed to buy food until you've had a jab"? Pure fantasy.Vaccine passport for shops could happen, says Dominic Raab
Shops and restaurants could require people to show vaccine passports under plans being considered by the government, the foreign secretary has suggested.Dominic Raab said that the government was considering their use at the “domestic or local level”. His comments appear to put him at odds with Downiwww.thetimes.co.uk
They're considering Vaccine Passports to go shopping / pubs / restaurants and even domestic travel.
Not happy in the slightest if this is true, I'm at the very bottom of the vaccine queue so this doesn't sound like good news for those waiting ages for a vaccine.
Wouldn't mind it if we all had the opportunity to get the jabs before they consider implementing this, but if they implemented this before everyone had the chance to get a vaccine then that's discriminative. Hopefully they do it after everyone's vaccinated and not beforehand.
And how would that work if people can't get a vaccine? "Sorry you are not allowed to buy food until you've had a jab"? Pure fantasy.
There is obviously a Tory donor or spouse of an MP who is at a loose end who they want to give a job to at tax payers expense.Fortunately, this government is so incompetent at that sort of thing that there's very little chance they could get a system in place in any realistic timescale.
Even they wouldn't be that stupid! Then would you have to make sure you had had the booster; some people have had both jabs, I don't know when those at the end of the queue are due the second, but it will be getting on for a year since the first jabs are given. Are they going to insist on kids having them - down to what age? What about teenagers who are caring for a parent, who can't get food otherwise.Wouldn't mind it if we all had the opportunity to get the jabs before they consider implementing this, but if they implemented this before everyone had the chance to get a vaccine then that's discriminative. Hopefully they do it after everyone's vaccinated and not beforehand.