I just can't believe the thought process of someone doing something like this, why on earth!?
I have, but it would never have crossed my mind to do something like this. Maybe because I had the privilige of a decent upbringing.Have you never been a teenager? I fully understand it. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be going to YOI for it though!
Yeah whatever happened to those youth engagement programmes?There used to be under BR a programme where they would send people to schools to educate young people the risks of trespass and messing round on railway property. I think engagement is key.
Idon’t want to belittle the danger that these actions caused, but perhaps rather than custodial sentence, the offenders could be offered the chance to make amends by working on the railway, perhaps cleaning graffiti off defaced stock.
I was brought up to understand that if I did anything like that, I would have gotten a damn good hiding, at the very least. But then I wasn't dragged up by parents that don't care.I have, but it would never have crossed my mind to do something like this. Maybe because I had the privilige of a decent upbringing.
I still don't understand how a random person can uncouple a wagon. When I've seen uncouplings the loco pushes into the wagons, compressing the buffers, allowing the shunter to get the chain over the hook. Were the wagons parked with the buffers compressed? If not how did they get the chain over the hook?We're only talking standard hook and chain type couplings and the handbrakes on IIAs are as about as self explanatory as you can get, a big white wheel marked brake with arrows for which way's on and which is off. I can't really see the air hoses holding them up much either.
I still don't understand how a random person can uncouple a wagon. When I've seen uncouplings the loco pushes into the wagons, compressing the buffers, allowing the shunter to get the chain over the hook. Were the wagons parked with the buffers compressed? If not how did they get the chain over the hook?
I still don't understand how a random person can uncouple a wagon. When I've seen uncouplings the loco pushes into the wagons, compressing the buffers, allowing the shunter to get the chain over the hook. Were the wagons parked with the buffers compressed? If not how did they get the chain over the hook?
Have you never been a teenager? I fully understand it. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be going to YOI for it though!
Long time ago. I did not have that mentality though. I was taught right and wrong and morals from a young age....Have you never been a teenager? I fully understand it. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be going to YOI for it though!
This article (and the papers linked in it) may be of interest. Essentially teenage brains are wired for taking foolish risks.Perhaps some teenagers on here could educate me?
Not to mention the possible risk of injury to oneself or being trapped underneath the runaway
Teenager aren't exactly renowned for the ability to think through the potential consequences of their actions...
They are probably related to the people who have been putting petrol in carrier bags at petrol stations. Absolute utter knuckle draggers.Uneducated scum off the sink estate next door.
So, if it is known that there were youths filming the activities, presumably for some form of social media, it would not be beyond the technical capabilities of Investigators to identify mobile handsets connected to nearby cell towers.Two wagons separately uncoupled with air disconnected, one runaway with handbrake released, second with handbrake partially released, and a great bunch of youths filming the incident from the multi-story. Couplings and air hoses don't disconnect themselves and neither to handbrakes wind themselves off, especially on stationary rolling stock.
Yes, each phone has a unique IMEI number or digital "fingerprint" which can be identified and correlated to the nearest cell tower. I can't remember if "brick" phones have these or not; I assume they do.
But of course, it depends on whether the railway wants to pursue or not
Yes, each phone has a unique IMEI number or digital "fingerprint" which can be identified and correlated to the nearest cell tower. I can't remember if "brick" phones have these or not; I assume they do.
But of course, it depends on whether the railway wants to pursue or not
Is there any videos on YouTube etc which these idiots could have watched which have them an.idea how to uncouple these wagons
Is there any videos on YouTube etc which these idiots could have watched which have them an.idea how to uncouple these wagons
That's not remotely true. An arrest is normally one of the first stages in an investigation. The threshold for an arrest is very low in this country - reasonable suspicion that the person in question has committed an offence, plus one of the specified grounds of necessity.This would only be a tiny 5% amount of evidence needed to arrest someone, something you only do when you’re almost certain you have enough evidence to satisfy a prosecution.
Nope. I'm just as mystified as you are. So many people (not just teens!) seem to do a lot of things which have severe consequences but no positive effects to them. I just don't understand it.Perhaps some teenagers on here could educate me?
So, if it is known that there were youths filming the activities, presumably for some form of social media, it would not be beyond the technical capabilities of Investigators to identify mobile handsets connected to nearby cell towers.
Given the potential seriousness of what has been done here it should warrant such in depth investigation one would have thought.
Identify the handsets, identify the owners, check for the video evidence.
Have you got a good lawyer ? You might need one with suggestions like that.This incident was wholly avoidable, had ground staff or another competent person been provided to do a walk round / visual check and a brake test. this is the second mishap in this area involving a freight train that a simple walk round check would have prevented.
I think you are being a bit overdramatic with that.Have you got a good lawyer ? You might need one with suggestions like that.