Masks again

[yorkie]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-59443504

Johnson says rules on face coverings will be tightened up in shops and public transport.

The rules will be reviewed in three weeks.

As far as I am concerned I am exempt. I will not be wearing a flimsy mask.

If anyone distrusts vaccines, they can choose to wear an FFP3 mask which is almost 100% effective if they want to (or an FFP2 which is not far off) but the idea that anyone should be told to wear a flimsy mask is completely absurd. Anyone can self-certify an exemption and there are a huge range of reasons why people can be exempt and it is up to each individual to judge that for themselves. All anyone has to say is "I am exempt" and that is the end of the matter. If anyone would find being asked distressing, then it may be a good idea to wear a sunflower lanyard. Either way, no-one can be compelled to wear a mask against their will.

"We don't know how effective our vaccines will be" against the new variant, Johnson says.

"But we have good reasons to believe they will provide at least some measure of protection."

This is irresponsible nonsense; the vaccines offer excellent protection against all variants and there is no evidence any variant can render vaccines ineffective

 

[adc82140]

I've already ordered my lanyard. 4 quid for 2 on Amazon. I have two theatre trips booked next month, and I'm buggered if I'm sitting there wearing a face nappy.

There is still *no* research published on the effectiveness of reusable face coverings in the unwashed hands of the public. "Because xyz scientist said so" is not research.

There is loads about proper masks in hospitals (they do work) but that's irrelevant.

 

[brad465]

He says a review in three weeks. I think we already know what the outcome of that will be.

 

[adc82140]

Update: no masks in pubs and hospitality. Just shops.

 

[Sm5]

I think there should be a minimum standard of mask.
Some are nothing more than a hanky, which makes it pointless.
Same too for those who wear the same dogeared mask for weeks on end.

 

[DustyBin]

Update: no masks in pubs and hospitality. Just shops.

And public transport.

Although there will be no masks for me anywhere, that nonsense ended on the 21st of June.

I think there should be a minimum standard of mask.
Some are nothing more than a hanky, which makes it pointless.
Same too for those who wear the same dogeared mask for weeks on end.

There was a time when I would have at least seen the logic in this. Look at Germany however, completely pointless.

 

[superalbs]

Don't care. Not wearing one.

 

[MikeWM]

'Reviewed in three weeks'?

We're not stupid enough to fall for that again, are we?

 

[bramling]

'Reviewed in three weeks'?

We're not stupid enough to fall for that again, are we?

Three weeks to flatten the curve…

Behave yourselves or you don’t get Christmas…

 

[adc82140]

Don't care. Not wearing one.

I have to at work (NHS) but I don't mind that because I'm in close contact with vulnerable people, wearing a mask that is fresh out of the box and handled appropriately, with hands washed before and after touching it.

It's just impossible to do that out and about on the high street, so I'm not bothering.

 

[Ediswan]

If anyone distrusts vaccines, they can choose to wear an FFP3 mask which is almost 100% effective if they want ...

Are FFP3 actually available to buy ? I too a quick look online recently and found none. Even FFP2 were rare. (This is 'in principle', I have no intention of buying any.)

 

[Dave91131]

Update: no masks in pubs and hospitality. Just shops.

Source?

 

[Bayum]

Makes me laugh how the irony with the description of a ‘flimsy mask’ or ‘nappy’ and refusing to wear one is anywhere and everywhere already. If it’s so flimsy, what’s the issue with wearing it?

 

[DustyBin]

Source?

The PM live on TV just now! Although public transport is also included as per my previous post.

 

[adc82140]

Source?

Boris's Twitter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1464644529101975558?

 

[DustyBin]

Makes me laugh how the irony with the description of a ‘flimsy mask’ or ‘nappy’ and refusing to wear one is anywhere and everywhere already. If it’s so flimsy, what’s the issue with wearing it?

Because it’s still unpleasant having it over your face. It’s still there. And of course it’s completely and utterly pointless.

 

[yorkie]

Makes me laugh how the irony with the description of a ‘flimsy mask’ or ‘nappy’ and refusing to wear one is anywhere and everywhere already.

I don't understand what you are saying or what the irony is.

If it’s so flimsy, what’s the issue with wearing it?

Why are you so keen for people to wear them? That is the more pertinent question; if you want to wear an effective mask, you would be protected and it would not make any difference to you what other people do. No-one can be made to wear one, whether you like that or not.

 

[Dave91131]

The PM live on TV just now! Although public transport is also included as per my previous post.

I didn't see the TV coverage hence my question.

Are hospitality venues not classed as a form of retail? Did he specifically state it didn't apply to hospitality?

I'm genuinely asking, not challenging or trying to be awkward

Boris's Twitter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1464644529101975558?

Thanks.

 

[yorksrob]

Makes me laugh how the irony with the description of a ‘flimsy mask’ or ‘nappy’ and refusing to wear one is anywhere and everywhere already. If it’s so flimsy, what’s the issue with wearing it?

It's still a nuisance to breathe through, particularly on a long journey.

If they're so unobtrusive, why don't we wear them already, like a pair of pants ?

 

[farleigh]

Shan't be wearing one myself. People who want to have been anyway.

 

[DustyBin]

I didn't see the TV coverage hence my question.

Are hospitality venues not classed as a form of retail? Did he specifically state it didn't apply to hospitality?

I'm genuinely asking, not challenging or trying to be awkward

No problem, sorry wasn’t trying to sound snappy. He was clear about shops and public transport (well as clear as he is in anything he says - he only actually clarified that when asked!).

 

[yorksrob]

I'll wear one to comply with the rules. But only because it's been mandated. I don't believe in the approach.

 

[Tomp94]

I shan't be complying this time.
I won't wear a mask on public transport or in a shop.
The only way to get rid of this authoritarian nonsense is to not comply. Sadly there are far too many sheep, and the majority will continue complying, (for the sake of complying) although I suspect there will be less compliance than previously.
If you want to wear one that is fine by me.
But if you want me to cover my mouth/half my face in order to "protect" you then you should 1. Get the jab as this is your best protection outside of natural immunity 2. Stay at home until you are no longer scared to come out.

I suspect the plan B propaganda will be in full flow now, it has been sometime from the mainstream "journalists".
Shame bookies aren't putting odds on when the vaccine passports will be introduced in England.

 

[Kite159]

Here we go again

A piece of loose fitting cloth which has been handed countless times and placed in a pocket when it's not needed is meant to protect everybody, heck I bet if you ran tests on some masks they will be full of bacteria. (The sort who will wear the same disposable mask for days at a time)

 

[90sWereBetter]

How does Johnson get these restrictions through Parliament without hundreds of his backbenchers revolting and going to the 1922 Committee?

 

[Bayum]

I don't understand what you are saying or what the irony is.

Why are you so keen for people to wear them? That is the more pertinent question; if you want to wear an effective mask, you would be protected and it would not make any difference to you what other people do. No-one can be made to wear one, whether you like that or not.

You’re describing the mask as flimsy yet refusing to wear one. If it’s so flimsy, it shouldn’t be an issue.

It's still a nuisance to breathe through, particularly on a long journey.

If they're so unobtrusive, why don't we wear them already, like a pair of pants ?

Because we’ve not had a pandemic in years?

 

[Ediswan]

Are hospitality venues not classed as a form of retail? Did he specifically state it didn't apply to hospitality?

What Boris said was that Sajid Javid will provide details in the next day or two. That sounds rather like 'to be determined'.

 

[duncanp]

Boris has said that the new mask rules do not apply to hospitality,according to Maskivist Sky News

Boris Johnson says "there's nothing we've announced tonight that changes the position for hospitality".

He stresses again his belief that the UK is in a "much, much stronger" position than last year thanks to vaccines.

This was in response to a question from David Maddox from the Express.

On whether younger people should now be vaccinated, as in other countries like the US, given that cases are spreading fastest in those age groups, Professor Whitty says the JCVI (Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation) is looking at it.

Patrick Vallance says we have "far greater" armoury now due to vaccines, the ability to adapt vaccines quickly, and new treatments - all of which gets a mumbled word of approval from the PM.

 

[bramling]

How does Johnson get these restrictions through Parliament without hundreds of his backbenchers revolting and going to the 1922 Committee?

Perhaps that’s why the details were vague.

Boris has said that the new mask rules do not apply to hospitality,according to Maskivist Sky News

Sky News now in full-on doom mode. The newsreader was visibly purring with delight at the idea of masks making their return. If they’re so wonderful, why don’t they wear them whilst on air, to set an example?

 

[Dave91131]

No problem, sorry wasn’t trying to sound snappy. He was clear about shops and public transport (well as clear as he is in anything he says - he only actually clarified that when asked!).

Not a problem at all. To be honest it was probably foolish of me to ask for clarification, because the blabbering baffoon will no doubt backtrack or differ from what he's said anyway!