tbtc
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Are there any/many examples of individual journeys operated by the same overall company with the exact same routes and exact same stops... BUT with a different route number?
There are a number of routes that have a common section with other routes, there are a number of routes with "part" journeys, there must be some examples where a short journey could use either number (or even of of a number of numbers!).
As a hypothetical, there are many services from Eldon Square in Newcastle to Gateshead Interchange, so if there were any short journeys (just between the two places, not extending any further in either direction) would they all use the same number or would the bus continue to use the same number as per the previous/subsequent journey?
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I'm talking about journeys operating on the same day (or at least in the same week) as each other, so not talking about times when the service number has changed (this ISN'T a discussion about the thousands of examples of services that have changed number)
I'm talking about services operated by the same parent company (so fair enough if there's an example where Stagecoach City use a different number to Stagecoach County for the exact same journey, or a "low cost" subsidiary used a different number to the parent company - it's all under the same "umbrella") - but I'm not talking about completely different companies using the same number for the same service (plenty of examples of competition where different companies use different numbers, but that's not for this thread)
I'm not worrying about different stances within bus stations, as long as the other stops are the same (Bustimes.org has taught me that there are many examples where one service can use a variety of different stances at the same bus station, depending on which service a particular journey interworks with)
Doesn't have to be at the same time of day or the same day of the week, as long as the start/intermediate/end points are the same
Individual journeys are fine, I'm not talking about every journey having to be the same
Some potential examples that come to mind:
Where a PTE/council subsidise evening/ Sunday journeys, but want "their" number to be used (e.g. some PTEs/councils insist on tendered services being 2xx or 4xx rather than the regular one/two digit number
Night Buses that follow exactly the same route as the daytime service
Where multiple services have journeys that do the same "part route" (e.g. there might be several journeys from the bus station to the bus depot, but where each bus uses the same route number that it uses for the rest of the day)
I'm happy to be corrected but the Stagecoach X54 and X59A both have "short" journeys from Edinburgh that terminate at Glenrothes Bus Station; from what I can see they both follow the same route (via Ferrytoll and Cowdenbeath) and obey the same intermediate stops (I'm not fussed whether they use the exact same stances at the various bus stations that they serve, that's too pedantic for the scope of this thread). The full length of the X54 and X59As are different (one serves Dundee, the other serves St Andrews), but these journeys terminating at Glenrothes look identical to me
Over to you...
There are a number of routes that have a common section with other routes, there are a number of routes with "part" journeys, there must be some examples where a short journey could use either number (or even of of a number of numbers!).
As a hypothetical, there are many services from Eldon Square in Newcastle to Gateshead Interchange, so if there were any short journeys (just between the two places, not extending any further in either direction) would they all use the same number or would the bus continue to use the same number as per the previous/subsequent journey?
Criteria:
I'm talking about journeys operating on the same day (or at least in the same week) as each other, so not talking about times when the service number has changed (this ISN'T a discussion about the thousands of examples of services that have changed number)
I'm talking about services operated by the same parent company (so fair enough if there's an example where Stagecoach City use a different number to Stagecoach County for the exact same journey, or a "low cost" subsidiary used a different number to the parent company - it's all under the same "umbrella") - but I'm not talking about completely different companies using the same number for the same service (plenty of examples of competition where different companies use different numbers, but that's not for this thread)
I'm not worrying about different stances within bus stations, as long as the other stops are the same (Bustimes.org has taught me that there are many examples where one service can use a variety of different stances at the same bus station, depending on which service a particular journey interworks with)
Doesn't have to be at the same time of day or the same day of the week, as long as the start/intermediate/end points are the same
Individual journeys are fine, I'm not talking about every journey having to be the same
Some potential examples that come to mind:
Where a PTE/council subsidise evening/ Sunday journeys, but want "their" number to be used (e.g. some PTEs/councils insist on tendered services being 2xx or 4xx rather than the regular one/two digit number
Night Buses that follow exactly the same route as the daytime service
Where multiple services have journeys that do the same "part route" (e.g. there might be several journeys from the bus station to the bus depot, but where each bus uses the same route number that it uses for the rest of the day)
I'm happy to be corrected but the Stagecoach X54 and X59A both have "short" journeys from Edinburgh that terminate at Glenrothes Bus Station; from what I can see they both follow the same route (via Ferrytoll and Cowdenbeath) and obey the same intermediate stops (I'm not fussed whether they use the exact same stances at the various bus stations that they serve, that's too pedantic for the scope of this thread). The full length of the X54 and X59As are different (one serves Dundee, the other serves St Andrews), but these journeys terminating at Glenrothes look identical to me
Over to you...