adrock1976
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EMR class 156s for Northern
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Starts with the 0520 Lincoln - Cleethorpes then out on Grimsby services all day.
170UTD
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Are the two 156s at Wolverton heading straight to Northern once they're ready? Side note: they've been there a while anyone know if they're nearly finished?
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diligentdave
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This is the current state of one vehicle of 156409. It's not going to be finished until Feb 23 at the earliest. 156416 is in the same, if not worse, state and is waiting for 409 to be finished.
Can hardly believe the state of these trains. I'm almost surprised they've bothered and not just sent them for scrap.
fgwrich
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Just wait until they get around to the ex Northern 15649x’s then. Actually, given how long they’ve been sitting around Derby etc, perhaps they won’t see out a repair and will be the first 156s to be scrapped?
Speaking of Wolverton, I wonder how our 150202 is getting on in there?
They've not got a taker, they're off lease at the end of December and pencilled in for storage (someone mentioned Ely possibly).
156917 has rust holes straight through the door pockets, it is in a horrible state.
Dave,
Are these ex-GA/EMR worse than the existing Northern 156's? or have they all needed this level of repair?
I wouldn't be surprised if the ex-GA units are worse. As a passenger it looked like they haven't been touched internally since they were new!
QSK19
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If anything symbolises how the East Midlands non-IC provision has been neglected over the years, I think it’s this picture. Simply terrible.
Bletchleyite
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Surely taking one back to the bare bodyshell and replacing half of that before totally rebuilding it from scratch must cost more than building some 195s.
170UTD
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Should be Ely as they're owned by Angel Trains.
If that's how bad 917 is I'm surprised it's not been pulled from service yet especially with more 170s arriving.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Goodness me, it looks to be completely rotting away! I wonder why they've not decided to send it off lease and give a different one to Northern? I'm sure they have their reasons mind you.
Not great looking, is it. Shall not be sad to see these 156/9s go. Though they do have good heating.
QSK19
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I’ve been to Derby station and seen 917 standing at Platform 4b. Clearly, EMR have launched a “Regicnal” sub-operation! Seriously, though, I’ve seen another hole myself and it’s shocking. These 156/9s have been rotten (in all senses!) since they arrived in the fleet and need exiting as soon as sufficient rolling stock numbers allow.
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That section may do. But just look at the image upthread - that is just the tip of the iceberg. Same with the 150s. They had a similar level of work, and are already looking worse for wear as the bits that weren't replaced are now rusting!
ChrisC
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I presume that the units which which EMR inherited from EMT are in a better condition. I did think that Stagecoach made quite a good job of refurbishing them and they did seem to be quite well maintained.
QSK19
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Stagecoach did indeed make a good job of the 15x stock considering the terrible state that they arrived in from CT. But, much like the 360s, the 156/9s arrived from GA in appalling condition.
Whilst I would defer to insiders on this point, I’d have thought that exiting the /9s is the priority over the other 156s.
The Porterbrook EMT 156s had a full C4 overhaul a few years ago when the disabled loos were fitted. The Anglia ones were done a bit before that and I don't know if they had the same level of bodywork attention. Certainly the Angel EMT 156s (470 etc) only had whatever bodywork was necessary at the end of the vehicle with the toilet to allow it's installation.
It seems bonkers to me though that they're taking these trains to bits to this extent and putting the same scabby interiors back in though!
It seems bonkers to me though that they're taking these trains to bits to this extent and putting the same scabby interiors back in though!
It's difficult to tell from the carriage photograph what's structural and what's more superficial.
childwallblues
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Northern seem to like the 156 in preference to the 150/1 in the North West for their greater seating capacity.
But not how quick you can get on and off.
diligentdave
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The Northern 156's are in a pretty similar state (156438 below)
The EMR (and Northern) Porterbrook units all had the disabled toilets installed at the same time at Wolverton. Northern's were done as part of their C6 program (C6 includes bodywork repairs, C4 overhauls are mainly underframe equipment).
Bletchleyite
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I still don't understand why what is essentially a complete strip-down-and-rebuild can't cost more than replacing them with a decently-sized new-build fleet.
Or is it a classic case of separate budgets, which often cause financially imprudent decisions to be made because opex can be signed off but capex not, the classic one of which being patching up the Conwy Valley every year or two rather than spending the capital to properly reinforce it against flooding, which was finally done and as a result it hasn't been seriously damaged by floods again since? Had that work been done 10 years ago, countless millions would have been saved, but the maintenance budget existed and the improvement one didn't.
Or is it a classic case of separate budgets, which often cause financially imprudent decisions to be made because opex can be signed off but capex not, the classic one of which being patching up the Conwy Valley every year or two rather than spending the capital to properly reinforce it against flooding, which was finally done and as a result it hasn't been seriously damaged by floods again since? Had that work been done 10 years ago, countless millions would have been saved, but the maintenance budget existed and the improvement one didn't.
The engine isn't touched so the only way it could be cheaper is if you found a way to get round the emission standards rule and use existing 156 engines on new build stock.
Kite159
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Doesn't a 150/1 have more seating to a 156, especially those which have mostly all airline 3+2 seating (not the ones which are mostly 3+2 bays)?
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A 156 has more useable seats thanks to being 2+2 in a 23m body with single leaf end doors. Plus, have you tried to use some of those airline seats on a 150?
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