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Unite Network Rail Strikes Off
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I've seen it. Its going ahead
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Heard 2/3rds rejected deal on 83% turnout
HST274
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It was. Also the TSSA recommended to accept saying it was the best deal they could get. This will likely mean every time the RMT negotiate now they'll just be hit with the 'if it's good enough for them' line. If course it might also set an earmark for the RDG.
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Not really, in the rail industry the RMT dominates. Workers in other unions for general grades have a tiny percentage.
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When does the TSSA result come through?
The percentage of rejection at 63/37 is not as high as I thought it would be. I do think the RMT will have to concede something, what I don't know.
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The BBC article states: On Saturday Mr Lynch called on the prime minister to meet him to attempt to resolve the dispute. But on Monday Rishi Sunak's official spokesman said: "We are not seeking to impose government over and above either the independent pay review process or ongoing discussions between employers and the unions.
"We won't be changing the process."
Which is utter nonsense. The RDG had an offer on the table which the RMT were tipped to accept, until the DfT stepped in and insisted that DOO be added as a condition - guaranteeing that it wouldn't be accepted. They've tied the RDG's hands and to claim they're not involved is blatantly untrue.
"We won't be changing the process."
Which is utter nonsense. The RDG had an offer on the table which the RMT were tipped to accept, until the DfT stepped in and insisted that DOO be added as a condition - guaranteeing that it wouldn't be accepted. They've tied the RDG's hands and to claim they're not involved is blatantly untrue.
ExRes
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63/47 - is that 53/47 or 63/37?
TheSel
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Now picked up by BBC:
Train strikes: RMT members reject latest Network Rail pay offer
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63942172
I clearly can't do maths, it's meant to be 63/37.
Less than half of those eligible to vote, voted to reject.
17% didn't vote at all, and I do wonder if some of them weren't able to and might have struggled with the online vote or not received the email.
A mistake has been made here but not surprising when the union made an instruction to reject.
63/37, but agreed.
I wouldn’t say it is an ‘overwhelming’ rejection. As it stands, only 52% of the members voted to reject it.
It will be interesting to see what RMT do next, as they will surely know that more members will now be coming in to work.
Bletchleyite
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DOO has nothing to do with the Network Rail employees. It would be illegal for them to include it in their considerations; because Network Rail is a different company to any TOC that would be sympathetic striking which is not legal.
Thursday.
The fact Unite accepted the deal was probably something they weren't expecting. Can they put the deal through again without any sort of recommendation or do they go back to NR and hammer it out because unlike the RDG, I don't think they'll be able to get much more from NR if anything.
They can do what they like - this was a referendum not a ballot.
However they do have the issue that many signallers and maintenance staff will be losing £3-£4k in the next three weeks, and in some cases more, and that is a big cash hit to take to try and squeeze out another half a % or whatever. (Which, it is very clear, isn’t coming). It is reasonable to assume that some of them will come to work during the strikes, especially on the signalling side.
LNW-GW Joint
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The DOO debate has no impact on the Network Rail dispute or its resolution (separate from the TOCs).
I do think Mick Lynch was a bit daft saying there is a united effort between the trade unions when Unite accepted the deal and likely that TSSA will as well. It just give ammunition to NR.
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So what, a considerable majority voted for it.
In contrast only 43% of VOTERS in the 2019 general election voted Conservative which works out at barely 1/3d of the registered voters, even less if you include all citizens eligible to vote.
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With the Unite ballot result, the RMT are now stuck in a hole of their own making with no way of saving face. That hole will only get deeper if TSSA vote to accept too. The offer should have been put to members with no recommendation either way.
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Indeed, the RMT are showing their inability to negotiate or reach a sensible compromise! How many of those voting will have simply followed the union advice to reject without reading the T’s and C’s of the offer?
I agree, does seem like they've shot themselves in the foot which is not good especially with certain parts of the media who will latch onto this. I think it was @Bald Rick who said that the RMT's own negotiator said they should cancel the strikes and put the offer to the members without recommendation only for the NEC to not only recommend to reject it but added more strike dates.
Yes, the RMT clearly has a mandate to continue - but will the 48% toe the line?
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