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The quiet disappearance of the iconic Eddie Stobart brand

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Is anyone else surprised by the apparently very quiet almost unnoticed disappearance of the iconic Eddie Stobart brand from Britain's roads? It wasn't too long-ago that anything about Stobarts, good or bad, was guaranteed to get even mainstream media coverage. And yet the events leading to the company effectively disappearing, their identity with it, have gone entirely unremarked it seems, much less unlamented.

Unless someone knows differently? I'm a fan, but not exactly obsessed, the length of this post not withstanding. I know what Google knows, and that's about it. Which is what is bizarre to me, since Google has traditionally known quite a lot about Stobart, because fans, journalists and significant chunks of the general public, have generally been quite interested, relatively speaking. It was even quite a progressive thing too, with many a girl and woman becoming interested in this traditionally male dominated industry, proud to say they were a fan, even a spotter, with more than a few going into the industry itself.

For those who don't know, and as far as I know, taking advantage of Covid ructions, a large group named Culina has hoovered up a whole host of truck companies in the time sensitive food freight sector (apparently they were something to do with the Muller yogurt brand originally). Stobart was one of their acquisitions.

The Stobart company still exists, but the Culina group naturally wants a corporate brand across all properties. Some Stobart curtainsider trailers will still be green, albeit a different, darker shade. These trailers carry prominent Stobart names, but in the (imho ugly) Culina font and in the overall Culina corporate style complete with logos. It's likely however that the plain white rigid Culina/"Culina" fridge trailers will become more common. But at the front end it seems, all trucks, regardless of sub brand, are going to be bland white Culina branded vehicles it seems.

And thus, the thing that made Stobart famous, named liveried trucks, and equally in your face trailers identifiable from miles away, are rapidly disappearing from the roads. Trucks very quickly, given the Stobart identity was latterly applied in vinyl over white painted units. Even trailers in an intensively used fleet like Stobart get cycled through the shop pretty rapidly.

I've known about it for some time, but the sight of a still branded Stobart tractor hauling a blue Tesco branded curtainsider trailer (perhaps intermodal, it seemed quite low height) reminded me of their passing, and surprised me that this combo was even still on the road now. Perhaps the Tesco contract has somehow escaped assimilation? No idea. Seems doubtful.

I'm only really talking about the standard trucks and trailers, the other Stobart branded stuff, from specialist trucks to aviation, seems to have been disposed of or otherwise been rebranded either before or at the time of the Culina acquisition, with their decision to roll out a corporate brand on the standard trucks coming a bit later.

Much of this was in large part due to the rather complicated history of Stobart itself, where for a good long while there's been two companies, and indeed even the brand itself has been traded between them and otherwise been seen as a distinct entity with commercial value. No longer it seems, although no doubt the rights are going to be retained by Culina so the brand cannot be resurrected.

It's all very strange, given it was quite literally an iconic brand, if a little tarnished maybe by recent financial issues (and in basic popularity terms, that seems unlikely to me). I definitely don't think this was a fire sale though. They had seemed to have turned the corner and been poised for another period of growth, getting back to basics or the magic formula even, but perhaps Culina just made an offer that was too good to turn down.

And in pure commercial terms, due to global events, maybe the industry had moved on entirely, and the brand itself could no longer sway boardrooms and secure business like it perhaps used to, with marketing clearly a massive part of many a Stobart deal and indeed truck. It definitely seems to be part of a wider trend of massive integration of supply chains, from producer to plate, with clear monopoly of scale aims but massive focus on bespoke solutions too. Ironically Stobart were a pioneer there, albeit in smaller ways. But that hardly requires the complete washing away of brands. Even operational efficiencies can accommodate a distinct identity on a core asset base. Again, I have no real idea.

I do know I'm almost a little upset by this, at least as far as anything transport can ever upset me. Commercial value/necessity/strategy is one thing, but AFAIK, Stobart meant way more to many people, especially the hard core fans. Perhaps this move was maybe made easier for Culina because Covid had meant that the Stobart shop and official fan club had been paused at lockdown, with things like depot tours and Stobart fest impossible. And sadly it never really returned. Perhaps also relevant was Channel Five moving away from this kind of market, in favour of all things Yorkhire.

I guess there's nothing stopping it continuing unofficially, but there's always the threat of trademark lawyers, and by its nature, much of the enthusiast stuff needs and indeed could only exist with the buy in and indeed direct involvement of the company. Even the club Facebook page was run by company staff as far as I can tell, hence it is now inactive.

I'm reasonably certain this means thst there's going to be no more new merch, including no new toy trucks for the kids or scale models for the big kids (me!). The Culina brand carries no interest for me, and surely many others. This perhaps has implications for railway modellers too? But if that's not the case and these lines will continue on license, it somehow seems even crueler. I certainly hate the fact that the side benefit of my collection massively increasing in value on the secondary market (unless this development means the country collectively just forgets Stobart was ever even a thing and loses all interest!) is the potential silver lining.

I know the passing is not lamented by a few drivers and staff, for the usual reasons, namely wages and conditions, plus some even held "spotters" in open contempt (with only some drivers able to say they became Stobart employees unwillingly), and are glad of the return to anonymity driving bland uninteresting trucks, but I hope even they can admit there is a much bigger and equally human component to this than their working lives.

And quite where I'm going to get my wall calender for 2024 and beyond is but one of many other issues caused by this strangely unnoticed development.
 
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I had noticed that Stobart lorries seemed to have become scarce and before that the naming had changed. Thanks for explaining why!
 

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As the OP says, a very iconic brand and one that attracts a diverse range of compliments and criticism.

I know several HGV drivers for example and their opinions range from " not effing likely ! " as an employer to those who would be only too happy to get a job with them. Equally, I was always reassured to see a Stobart trailer in front of me, and unit behind, as they were noted for their driving standards.

However, they also ventured into the airline / airport world...which, unfortunately, did not have a happy ending and sadly proved the maxim about how to lose money without trying.
 

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I had noticed that Stobart lorries seemed to have become scarce and before that the naming had changed. Thanks for explaining why!
However, they also ventured into the airline / airport world...which, unfortunately, did not have a happy ending and sadly proved the maxim about how to lose money without trying.
Even as a Stobart fan it took me a while to realise the significance myself of seeing white Culina trucks hauling Stobart trailers. Thought it was just another contract brand initially, until it became obvious it was getting really common and very random. At least I was spared the horror of seeing a green Culina style Stobart trailer in the wild before I learned the truth and could begin the five stages of grief.

It truly never even occurred to me that the company could be sold in that sense, even though technically it has been sold several times. The strength of the brand was clear in how the name was always retained even after various takeovers, mergers, splits, scandals and near bankruptcies.

So it was very strange that it finally dissappears at a time of strength, the business apparently refocused back on haulage with the name/brand now back to being unambiguously about haulage, and seemingly restored to the point its network of warehouses and drivers was considered valuable to the clearly massively ambitious and cash rich Culina.
 

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I know several HGV drivers for example and their opinions range from " not effing likely ! " as an employer to those who would be only too happy to get a job with them.
I remember their drivers were always smartly turned out.
 

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Am I remembering correctly, Stobard drivers were, at one point, some of the lowest paid in the industry?
 

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Hadn't even noticed, as Stobart was fairly rare in Somerset, Dorset and Wiltshire. Can't say I have noticed Culina either.

Must be different world north of M4
 

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Hadn't even noticed, as Stobart was fairly rare in Somerset, Dorset and Wiltshire. Can't say I have noticed Culina either.

Must be different world north of M4
You'd have to get lucky and know where stuff is being picked up, which down there would typically be remote farms at the end of quiet country lanes, possibly at the crack of dawn. Picking up a single pallet of cheese in a full size trailer is bizarrely how the trucking industry makes its money these days. But only if you have the customer base, fleet size and warehousing capacity of am outfit like Stobart. No idea if Culina operates this way.
Am I remembering correctly, Stobard drivers were, at one point, some of the lowest paid in the industry?
There were definitely prolonged and bitter strikes, well before the current trend.

But I am pretty sure this wasn't really down to Stobart being a cheap outfit rather than specific customers driving a really hard bargain. I don't think it was a coincidence that these were mostly (always?) depots/warehouses exclusively used for Tesco contracts.

In general, Stobart always seemed to prefer to find savings in how efficiently you could shift loads, and other economies of scale, like fuel and vehicle leasing, rather than terms and conditions. When your brand relies on drivers being willing to go the extra mile, you don't treat them like crap.

You also don't offer free rides or have any tolerance for what drivers think should be industry standard for no better reason than this is the way it's always been done. That inevitably ticks a certain kind of driver off. Stobart was deliberately trying to do things differently, to find a competitive edge.

This is only me looking in from the outside, with Stobarts having shared a lot via things like the documentary. Culina is presumably a return to the time that all these things are a complete mystery to outsiders.
I remember their drivers were always smartly turned out.
Famously so, one of the original brand differentiators, a complete change to the perception of truckers at the time. The shirt and tie was eventually dropped for polo shirts, but even then, they still looked a cut above.
 

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However, they also ventured into the airline / airport world...which, unfortunately, did not have a happy ending and sadly proved the maxim about how to lose money without trying.

Yes, they won't be the first and won't be the last transport company which ends up getting burnt in a different sector. Aviation is a horrendously difficult thing to get right, especially compared to road transport. It didn't help that Stobart was divided into two companies, and the non-logistics side of Stobart made an absolute mess of things.

Am I remembering correctly, Stobard drivers were, at one point, some of the lowest paid in the industry?

Yes, absolutely yes. Stobart became so big because they were able to walk into boardrooms and offer to take over in-house logistics for a cheaper price than the companies could do for themselves. They were clever, because they had a very professional image (clean trucks, clean drivers), but they also cut their costs to the bone. A lot of the things that the OP fondly mentions was all PR trickery: they knew that by creating a kind of cult around Eddie Stobart trucks, then they could get away with murder. They also were rather cruel and ruthless towards drivers, even down to forcing them to wear ties while driving.

Stobart were also very aggressive when it came to finding backloads, so they could offer their customers a 'pay-as-we haul' type operation.

But I would argue that in recent years, the Stobart name has been completely trashed anyway. Stobart Air was a disaster, and other Stobart-related businesses have been a flop too. I suspect that Culina simply want to get rid of it and to not be associated with it anymore.
 

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Yes, I noticed a Culina typefaced Stobart trailer on the M6 the other day.

Culina also have Fowler Welch, Morgan McLernon, CML, Warrens, International Road Ferry, Great Bear, and a couple of other smaller players.

Stobart had been touted around for a while before Culina bought them. Wincanton went through due diligence, but then decided against it.
 

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Speaking of Culina, a rather large number of their lorries (often with a Great Bear trailer) seem to be passing along the A38 through Selly Oak. And almost always seem to go along the old Bristol Road (at considerable speed!) rather than the bypass. I'm pretty sure they aren't delivering anything to Selly Oak itself (Sainsbury's, Aldi and Tesco all use own-brand lorries I believe, along with separate dairy deliveries from whichever of the big suppliers they buy dairy stuff from), so I'm curious as to why there's been a sudden increase in Culina traffic.
I've only noticed it in the last few weeks. To tenuously return to the thread topic, none of the trailers I've seen are Eddie Stobart ones. And now that it's mentioned, I realise I haven't seen one one of their lorries for a long time.
 

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Plenty of ‘traditional’ Stobart lorries around Wakefield Morrisons depot the other day (but some white ones too).
 

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I was very surprised at how "under the radar" this has gone, for such a famous brand. I only found out yesterday, when a colleague (who used to work for them) mentioned it in passing conversation. I'd not seen this thread, but somewhat bizarrely stumbled across it last night.

In contradiction to what has been posted previously, this morning I spotted a Stobart liveried tractor paired with a white Culina branded trailer :lol:
 

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It's a shame there isn't an RTT (Realtime Trucks) to help spotters track down the last workings of Stobart-liveried vehicles.
 

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In contradiction to what has been posted previously, this morning I spotted a Stobart liveried tractor paired with a white Culina branded trailer :lol:
Rare, but possible. They'll have ordered new trailers by now, and rather obviously even though it's as easy as peeling off stickers and applying new ones, it will still take some time to get through thousands of trucks without making too many of them unavailable at any one time (Culina hardly wants to start their tenure as a quite literally massive integrated logistics provider without being able to do a simple thing like have enough trucks available to conduct their business).
It's a shame there isn't an RTT (Realtime Trucks) to help spotters track down the last workings of Stobart-liveried vehicles.
Apparently there was an app that used the information from the trackers in Stobart trucks which they use for their real time planing to allow spotters to know where they were too (presumably with the full consent of the company), but it was only ever on Apple, and stopped working a long time ago (pre-Covid?). It definitely made a few drivers nervous about safety, but to my mind, if hijackers know enough about the Stobart business to know which loads are worth jacking (no point potentially going to prison for life over a trailer full of sheds!) they hardly actually needed a tracker. It obviously helps though.
 

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Most recent I have seen are Wednesday 26th April Tractor unit & Trailer in full Stobart livery going north on A1M at Warmsworth near Doncaster at around 5:15pm & Thursday 4th May going along Trafford Way in Doncaster City Centre at around 3:15pm which was a Tractor unit only.
 

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saw a few more Stobart trailers in Culina typeface yesterday.

Speaking of Culina, a rather large number of their lorries (often with a Great Bear trailer) seem to be passing along the A38 through Selly Oak. And almost always seem to go along the old Bristol Road (at considerable speed!) rather than the bypass. I'm pretty sure they aren't delivering anything to Selly Oak itself (Sainsbury's, Aldi and Tesco all use own-brand lorries I believe, along with separate dairy deliveries from whichever of the big suppliers they buy dairy stuff from), so I'm curious as to why there's been a sudden increase in Culina traffic.
I've only noticed it in the last few weeks. To tenuously return to the thread topic, none of the trailers I've seen are Eddie Stobart ones. And now that it's mentioned, I realise I haven't seen one one of their lorries for a long time.

Great Bear are ambient 3rd Party logistics, and do a lot for automotive suppliers. They won’t be going to the supermarkets. Sainsburys is mostly Wincanton lorries (branded Sainsburys)
 

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I've noticed that on a recent trip to Northwich, Morrisons are now using Stobart/Culina to supply their vehicles, the tractors being outshopped in Culina livery with some Morrisons branding and clearly Stobart fleet numbers with the Culina typeface. I do wonder why Muller (the dairy giant) have ditched the significantly stronger and more recognised Stobart brand. Seems a little short sighted and another case of foreign companies thinking they know best and finding out that actually, they don't.
 

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Culina and their rebranding are disgusting. I used to be a huge Stobart fan a few years ago and when I saw a new liveried one on the A45, it repulsed me. Some of there other subsidiaries, such as fowler welch also have a culina and original mixture, but with these, the base livery was white so it’s not so disgusting. At least let them keep there original logo, with the wording ‘ a Culina company’.
 

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I do wonder why Muller (the dairy giant) have ditched the significantly stronger and more recognised Stobart brand.

it’s Culina who’ve done it, I doubt Muller had much input to it even though they own Culina.

an educated guess is that Stobart had had a pretty bad rep in logistics circles in recent years, whereas Culina group hasn‘t. Therefore the Culina brand is much stronger where it matters - their customers (not lorry spotters).
 

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I've noticed that on a recent trip to Northwich, Morrisons are now using Stobart/Culina to supply their vehicles, the tractors being outshopped in Culina livery with some Morrisons branding and clearly Stobart fleet numbers with the Culina typeface. I do wonder why Muller (the dairy giant) have ditched the significantly stronger and more recognised Stobart brand. Seems a little short sighted and another case of foreign companies thinking they know best and finding out that actually, they don't.

Their customers don't care about the brand. They care about price and service at the end of the day
 

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A large trailer yard has been created not far from Plumley West on the line between Knutsford and Northwich and appears to be full of Stobart, Culina and other branded trailers. It has only been there 2-3 months. So maybe this is where some of the Stobart trailers went. Photo taken from train just gone past the site.
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I've noticed that on a recent trip to Northwich, Morrisons are now using Stobart/Culina to supply their vehicles, the tractors being outshopped in Culina livery with some Morrisons branding and clearly Stobart fleet numbers with the Culina typeface.
Morrisons use a mix of in house drivers and contractors (as do most supermarkets, but Morrisons seem to use more contractors than others).
The main contractors used will vary depending on where you are - around here it's mostly Romac Logistics for Morrisons, and the only Stobart/Culina wagons I see on supermarket work are pulling Tesco trailers.
 

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Morrisons use a mix of in house drivers and contractors (as do most supermarkets, but Morrisons seem to use more contractors than others).
The main contractors used will vary depending on where you are - around here it's mostly Romac Logistics for Morrisons, and the only Stobart/Culina wagons I see on supermarket work are pulling Tesco trailers.
I've never seen Stobart pulling Tesco, thought it was all in house with Mercedes trucks?
 

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Strangely enough (and showing how mainstream they became) my Mum mentioned yesterday "You don't seem to see many Eddie Stobart lorries on the roads these days". Luckily i was able to reply using info from this thread. :lol:
 

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I've never seen Stobart pulling Tesco, thought it was all in house with Mercedes trucks?
It's fairly common in Scotland, and I think Stobart still have the contact for moving the railboxes between Mossend and the distribution centre at Livingston.
Tesco's own units are mostly DAF up here with some Mercedes, though they're gradually being sent south and replaced with more DAFs because they've had so many problems with them.
 

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Tesco's own units are mostly DAF up here with some Mercedes, though they're gradually being sent south and replaced with more DAFs because they've had so many problems with them.
I know that Tesco were an early adaptor of the narrow cab Actros, what's up with them?
 

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Stobart air also disappeared after getting to closely involved with Flybe and relying solely on the Aer Lingus franchise.
 

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I know that Tesco were an early adaptor of the narrow cab Actros, what's up with them?
The mp4 in particular is badly designed, poorly built, unreliable rubbish.
They break all the time and the customer service from Mercedes up here is non existent, so they're gradually punting them off down south.
 
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