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Trivia: Stations forming a cross (with 4 passenger routes from the station)

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Can anyone think of other stations where the two routes form a cross shape and passengers can go all four ways from that station? for example Tamworth works but Lichfield TV doesn't (regular services don't go North East from Tv as far as I'm aware)/ Shotton and Worcester Parkway are another two that work.

Stations like Nuneaton for example don't really fit as the tracks don't form a cross.

I'm after examples in England and Wales that are OUTSIDE the M25 if any of you knowledgeable people could help!

(NB also passengers can transfer between the two routes)

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Tamworth
Worcs Parkway
Shotton
Smethwick GB
Liverpool South Parkway
Retford

Minffordd*
Newcastle Central/Monument*
Nottingham*

*Non mainline
 
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Shotton.
Worcestershire Parkway.
Liverpool South Parkway.
 
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A dual gauge version at Minffordd (although "north" and "west" both take you to Porthmadog - different stations though).
 

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Smethwick Galton Bridge. The routes out of it curve and wind quite a bit but from within the station the low level platforms point north west towards Sandwell & Dudley, south east towards Rolfe Street and the high level platforms point north east towards The Hawthorns and south west towards Langley Green. It very much looks like an X on the map.
 

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Good answers thanks! I cant believe I forgot SG bridge. I'll have a look at Liv South and Willesden.
 

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Could an argument be made for Tonbridge?

Or maybe Motherwell, if the OP is prepared to accept Scottish stations?
 
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This is actually rarer than I thought - most places the tracks would physically curve and the platforms will be parallel, or there will be a crossing but no physical station!

If we're allowing fully non-NR, then Monument on the Newcastle Metro seems to fit.
 

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Can anyone think of other stations where the two routes form a cross shape and passengers can go all four ways from that station? for example Tamworth works but Lichfield TV doesn't (regular services don't go North East from Tv as far as I'm aware)/ Shotton and Worcester Parkway are another two that work.

Stations like Nuneaton for example don't really fit as the tracks don't form a cross.

I'm after examples in England and Wales that are OUTSIDE the M25 if any of you knowledgeable people could help!

(NB also passengers can transfer between the two routes)
It's sort of implied but not explicit whether the routes have to be grade-separated, so does Tonbridge fit your criteria? It's laid out more in a mathematical X (or the gilbert logo for those more sportily inclined) than a true cross, but the routes don't really share track other than the platforms.
If not then there are several near misses in Kent but no true crosses in the former Southern Railway/Region area. AFAICS.

For perhaps an interesting distraction or potential bonus point, there is the geometrically pleasing Filton Diamond in north Bristol.
 

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The layouts of Liverpool Central and Moorfields qualify in that two separate routes cross, but trains only run in one direction on one of the two routes.
 
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If we’re allowing non-NR, Monument and Newcastle Central would both qualify.

Glasgow Central, Glasgow Queen Street and Partick would qualify in Scotland.
 

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If we’re allowing non-NR, Monument and Newcastle Central would both qualify.

Glasgow Central, Glasgow Queen Street
How do you got north from Central or South from Queen street? The subway is an appreciable distance to the side of both stations and there's no direct interchange.
and Partick would qualify in Scotland.
OP did ask for England and Wales, but others have missed that and the M25 criterion as well.
 

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If Tonbridge is included that would open up many more examples and it's not really a cross as such.

I like the Filton diamond I guess it was modelled after the M4 M5 junction just North of it....
 

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How do you got north from Central or South from Queen street? The subway is an appreciable distance to the side of both stations and there's no direct interchange.
Both stations have low level platforms for the national network at a 90 degree angle to the rest of the station. Hadn’t taken the Subway into account at either.
 

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Both stations have low level platforms for the national network at a 90 degree angle to the rest of the station. Hadn’t taken the Subway into account at either.
OP explicitly rules out stations with services that don't go in all 4 directions though (example given is Lichfield). If you got a train northbound from Glasgow Central I think there'd be a few surprised people on the concourse!
 

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The Brighton Line Crosses the M25 between the Quarry Tunnels and Merstham station. I've had the dubious fun of diverting through Reigate to get to the M25 J8 when there's problems on the M23 between Gatwick and the Maltese Cross.
 

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OP explicitly rules out stations with services that don't go in all 4 directions though (example given is Lichfield). If you got a train northbound from Glasgow Central I think there'd be a few surprised people on the concourse!
Yes, the request isn't for 'bi-level stations' but a specific sub-set of them.
 

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If NPR plans go ahead, Warrington BQ may become an example.

If you count Metrolink, Manchester Picc?

If you count Tyne and Wear Metro, Monument? (Oops, already mentioned.)
 
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A bit of a stretch this one, as it isn't split-level with platforms forming a cross but you can catch a train to head in four different directions, with the routes diverging not far from the station: that being Shipley (routes to Ilkley/Bradford/Leeds/Skipton).
 

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If the tram ever gets extended to Stockport, East Didsbury will qualify. It currently misses out because the tram line terminates before it would have crossed under the railway.

Or not! Clearly I was having an idiot moment!
 
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If the tram ever gets extended to Stockport, East Didsbury will qualify. It currently misses out because the tram line terminates before it would have crossed under the railway.
Er, the tram line crosses under the railway, and then crosses under the A34, and then terminates just before it would have passed under the A5145. I'd argue the two stations are too far apart to count as one, and they won't get any closer if the tram is extended to Stockport.

Furthermore the railway station is even further from the crossing point than the tram stop is.
 
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