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Luton’s first home Premier League fixture (Saturday 19th August) against Burnley next season has been postponed, as the club cannot give guarantees that ground improvement work will be completed on time. Surely a way of avoiding a blank Saturday for the clubs would be a fixture swap, playing the Burnley v Luton match from later in the season that day and vice versa, although I doubt it will happen!
If Luton Town wish to be a Premier League club, it is their responsibility to ensure that their ground improvement works will be completed on time. Why should Burnley be inconvenienced in the matter you suggest? Any chance of a points deduction being applied if matters are not completed on time?
 
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Luton’s first home Premier League fixture (Saturday 19th August) against Burnley next season has been postponed, as the club cannot give guarantees that ground improvement work will be completed on time. Surely a way of avoiding a blank Saturday for the clubs would be a fixture swap, playing the Burnley v Luton match from later in the season that day and vice versa, although I doubt it will happen!
Why not just still have the fixture fulfilled, as originally scheduled, but played on a "closed doors" basis?
 

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The postponement is with the agreement of both the Premier League and Burnley, so there won't be any punishment. Playing behind closed doors wouldn't be possible as the works are mainly for media facilities to meet PL requirements, and those facilities are required even for a closed match.
 

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If Luton Town wish to be a Premier League club, it is their responsibility to ensure that their ground improvement works will be completed on time. Why should Burnley be inconvenienced in the matter you suggest? Any chance of a points deduction being applied if matters are not completed on time?
You can't force a mountain into a handbag. The facilities take a finite amount of time to be built!
 

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The postponement is with the agreement of both the Premier League and Burnley, so there won't be any punishment. Playing behind closed doors wouldn't be possible as the works are mainly for media facilities to meet PL requirements, and those facilities are required even for a closed match.
Thanks for clarifying. So the media tail wagging the dog, then?
 

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Surely a way of avoiding a blank Saturday for the clubs would be a fixture swap, playing the Burnley v Luton match from later in the season that day and vice versa, although I doubt it will happen!

Burnley refused. A swap would’ve meant them starting the season with four successive home games

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Just been chatting to a friend who’s a Burnley fan. It seems there are a few reasons why they refused to swap fixtures:

1 - Kompany didn’t want to play four straight home games at the start of the season

2 - all four of those games would have been during the school summer holidays and Burnley were wary of the impact on season ticket holders, as most booking a week’s holiday might expect to miss one game but not two, and those going away for a fortnight would expect to miss one or two games, not three
 
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Given the age of Kenilworth Road, it's no surprise that a fair bit of work is needed to bring it up to PL standards. The JSS needed a fair bit of work when Huddersfield got promoted, and that's a stadium that was built as recently as 1994, being one of the first post-Taylor Report grounds.
 

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Luton’s first home Premier League fixture (Saturday 19th August) against Burnley next season has been postponed, as the club cannot give guarantees that ground improvement work will be completed on time. Surely a way of avoiding a blank Saturday for the clubs would be a fixture swap, playing the Burnley v Luton match from later in the season that day and vice versa, although I doubt it will happen!
Come on that would involve common sense.
 

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Interesting that Spurs appear to have given up with goalkeeper Hugo Lloris. Appears to have been shell-shocked after the first half of the Newcastle 6-1, and didn’t play again last season. But was he ever really injured?
 

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They wouldn't be allowed to play there by MK Dons, for a start, and that is without considering the fact that Luton hate MK anyway.
And Stadium MK amost certainly doesn’t meet Premier League requirements.
 

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And Stadium MK amost certainly doesn’t meet Premier League requirements.

It might do as it’s hosted England U21s and England Women games. But there’s no love lost and Luton would never entertain the idea of playing there
 

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Luton would never entertain the idea of playing there
I had no idea...

As does Vicarage Road and nearer!
Or there!

If Luton Town wish to be a Premier League club, it is their responsibility to ensure that their ground improvement works will be completed on time.
It may be of help to give a bit of explanation as to what is being done in the available 12 weeks and at a cost of approximately £12 million. One side of the ground has been demolished and is being rebuilt to provide the required facilities for TV camera positions, VAR and the press. New floodlights are being installed, including new gantries to support them. Various hospitality areas are being converted to provide the back of house facilities for the media - not just press rooms but canteens and the like. Now, you may suggest that this should have been started earlier but doing all this has a significant cost in that it has caused the los of all of the executive boxes and most of the other hospitality areas in the ground and it is only by being in the Premier League that this, and the cost of the work, can be justified or afforded. Work was started within a day or two of the play-off final, so no time has been wasted but the postponement of the Burnley match clearly reflects a view that a planned completion of only days before the scheduled match day is unacceptably risky and that an early decision is better for all concerned.
 
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There's also the fact that Luton will be moving to their new stadium in a year or two, so any required improvements as a result of promotion will have no chance of earning back the costs of doing the work. Having to install new floodlights that will end up being disposed of in a couple of years is a cost they could do without, so it's a good job the financial rewards for reaching the Premier League are so great.
 

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There's also the fact that Luton will be moving to their new stadium in a year or two, so any required improvements as a result of promotion will have no chance of earning back the costs of doing the work. Having to install new floodlights that will end up being disposed of in a couple of years is a cost they could do without, so it's a good job the financial rewards for reaching the Premier League are so great.
Probably 3 seasons left at Kenilworth Road, but your point is correct. They tell us that they are trying to ensure that as much as possible can be reused at the new stadium when the time comes but I would expect that it will be a drop in the ocean of the total costs.
 

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How can a club like this be allowed into the Premier League?
All through the pyramid there are rules that say a stadium has to meet certain requirements before they can be promoted.
 

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All through the pyramid there are rules that say a stadium has to meet certain requirements before they can be promoted.
That's not necessarily always the case. At many levels of football's so-called pyramid, clubs can still be promoted to the next (higher) level, provided that any required improvement works are completed by the following 31st March.

If they're not completed by 31st March, then the club in question is liable to be compulsorily relegated.
 

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That's not necessarily always the case. At many levels of football's so-called pyramid, clubs can still be promoted to the next (higher) level, provided that any required improvement works are completed by the following 31st March.
But does this apply when being promoted to the Premier League from the Championship, which is the two highest levels of the so-called pyramid.
 

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That's not necessarily always the case. At many levels of football's so-called pyramid, clubs can still be promoted to the next (higher) level, provided that any required improvement works are completed by the following 31st March.

If they're not completed by 31st March, then the club in question is liable to be compulsorily relegated.

How long has that been the case? There were examples in the 90s of teams denied promotion to the football league because of grounds not deemed to be up to scratch, and in 1998 Halifax has to get the work on the new stands signed off by 31 March to be allowed promotion
 

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How can a club like this be allowed into the Premier League?
All through the pyramid there are rules that say a stadium has to meet certain requirements before they can be promoted.
Because they won the play-off final?

Performances on the pitch should be the only metric by which clubs are judged. I'm absolutely opposed to clubs being kept down when they've earned promotion, at any level... even if they play their home games on the local rec.
 

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It amazes me that so many (not just on this forum) who have previously stated no interest in top flight football have a huge interest in stopping a team being promoted to the top flight. They deserve to be there, it's that simple.
 

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It amazes me that so many (not just on this forum) who have previously stated no interest in top flight football have a huge interest in stopping a team being promoted to the top flight. They deserve to be there, it's that simple.
21 points behind the top team, and 11 behind the second, deserve to be there?
They got there through the Play Offs, aka a Sky money spinner.
 

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21 points behind the top team, and 11 behind the second, deserve to be there?
They got there through the Play Offs, aka a Sky money spinner.

Yes, they do deserve to be there, it's not like the whole concept is thrust upon them after game 46. The play-offs existed long before any Sky involvement.
 

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21 points behind the top team, and 11 behind the second, deserve to be there?
They got there through the Play Offs, aka a Sky money spinner.
Without the play-offs the top 3 would be promoted, so better give it to the team who finished 3rd instead of the play-off winners. That was... Luton Town.
 

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