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Would you travel in a driverless taxi.

Bletchleyite

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It would only be similar if the driver was incapacitated, but that would not be the case in lots of accidents, where the taxi driver would be in a position to act.

Act on what? A passenger in a vehicle has no responsibility for it at all.

Say, for example, the driverless taxi hit a pedestrian or cyclist? Can the occupant of the driverless taxi leave the scene? If yes, how? If the collision is with another vehicle, with a driver, who does that driver "exchange details" with?

I'll say no to the risk of getting involved in any of that.

Yes, of course the occupant could leave the scene*. They're a passenger, same as if there was a driver present.

* Give or take that if you (generic you, I'm sure it doesn't apply to you specifically) have witnessed an accident, whether in one of the vehicles or not, in which it is either causing a serious danger to traffic or someone has been seriously hurt, if you don't at least call 999 you need to have a serious think about yourself.
 
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Theoretically I can see good AI drivers to I'd trust, but AI is only as good as it's creator....
 

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No, I wouldn't, I don't think I would be able to relax in the slightest, no matter how long or short the journey was, I'd feel like I was in some kind of unsettling dream.
 

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How do you feel about travelling on the DLR?
In fairness the DLR runs on rails and uses an extremely well tested and failsafe signalling system with few variables.

Roads and driverless cars are very different
 

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In fairness the DLR runs on rails and uses an extremely well tested and failsafe signalling system with few variables.

Roads and driverless cars are very different

Plus the DLR isn't really driverless. Anything goes wrong; staff step in.

Now, Paris has demonstrated it can build a truly driverless train (at huge expense) but that's in an even more controlled environment. The taxi on the road, going in and out of housing estates and doing pickups and dropoffs in pretty much any location, is the complete opposite of a controlled environment.
 

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With driverless taxis being considered in the UK and already a thing in the US I am wondering how many people would actually travel in one. Personally I wouldn’t trust such vehicles and would refuse to travel in it however I was wondering if I was the only person who had such views.
Driverless taxis are a new technology. I don't trust them yet, but I'm willing to give them a try under certain controlled conditions. Human trials are necessary for this technology to advance.

I understand your concern about the safety of driverless taxis. However, there are also many potential benefits to them, such as the potential to reduce traffic accidents, improve traffic flow, and make transportation more accessible to people who cannot drive.
 

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Having been in a driverless vehicle earlier this year to be honest i don't think the tech is anywhere near ready to go live yet but hey ho i'm sure it will anyway given enough bribery.

It was quite strange when it started off and maybe slightly nerve wracking (though there was a human ready to take over) but you soon got used to it.

I won't miss having conversations with the driver, i never do. To be honest you need to be fluent in urdu to do that around here anyway.

What happens in an accident is something that needs to be thought about, i can see a lot of problems here. Even if no one is hurt you will have situations where the other vehicle's driver is furious, and there won't be another driver to take out the anger on...

The only time i use taxis is usually with suitcases, i think driverless taxis will need to be designed so it is easy for the passenger to load/unload their own luggage aboard.
 

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From personal experience, particularly in London, I can't imagine a driverless taxi being any more dangerous than some of them with licensed drivers, presumably a driverless one won't be constantly playing with its meter, sat nav or looking for the next booking
 

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There are going to be so many issues, I just can't see them happening (or succeeding on trials). There's a lot of investment that companies want a slice of, and lots of good salaries for those who will develop this somewhat flawed concept.

As I've said years ago, people will find it amusing to toy with the cars and make them stop or have to work out how to get around an obstruction like a traffic cone. A normal driver would deal with it, and likely shout at the people messing around, or just move the obstruction.

Then the passenger will be ordering a car on an app, having to track and identify when/where it turns up (and the car has to stop safely), and when you get in and find a mess (maybe vomit or something) then you'll presumably have to use your app to request a new car. Maybe you'll then get compensated for the delay, which will then encourage people to lie about the condition of the vehicle to get money back etc.

I can't imagine how such a car will assist disabled people, or people with luggage. Different car makers with different designs of vehicle meaning someone has to figure out how everything works for each car that arrives, and what you do when the car has stopped somewhere (see problems above) and you want out. Can you just open the doors and leave? Can you select to end your journey and the car will move to a position of safety to help? Will the doors be locked for your safety?

The list goes on and on.

I'm sure most issues could be addressed somehow, but I think too many people think a car with some cameras and LIDAR will be fine. AI helping learn the roads to avoid issues, but not being able to then cope with lane/road closures, an accident or other issues because many incidents aren't quickly updated on mapping services that the car would presumably rely on to plan routes.
 

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In response to the OP's question: yes, I would.

I have to acknowledge that the roll out of genuinely driverless taxis has not been as rapid as I had expected, or as quick as the speculators in the early 2010s driverless gold rush expected. However, there are now two US cities (Phoenix Arizona And San Francisco California) where you can now pay a fare to one of two operators Waymo (Google) and Cruise and ride in a taxi with no other occupant.

There are clearly still incidents, including amusing attempts to stop them with traffic cones, though these seem fairly small in number and generally are the cause of inconvenience rather than injury. There is clearly still significant money being spent by the two companies and other potential operators to improve things, identify 'edge cases' that had not come up before and improve the performance of the technology. The fare is comparable with normal Uber services according to the sources I have read, but I expect they pricing to limit demand to within their capacity. Given the continuing development costs, it will be some years before the reduction in costs from dispensing with the driver will enable them to under-cut conventional taxis.

Whether I get to ride in one any time soon (short of visiting those cities) depends on how quickly they can improve things to satisfy US regulators more generally and scale to a greater number of US cities. They appear to working on increasing the testing of driverless vehicles in locations with more variable weather for example. More general adoption in the US is likely before they appear in the UK as that will give them a better body of experience and data to meet the requirements of regulators here. I would expect similar services in some UK urban areas within five years.

In some of my early posts to this forum, I stated that I thought they would become a threat to the viability of rural rail services and I am still think this is likely eventually. Longer distance full self driving appears more difficult to implement than urban and my early speculation on how long this would take is likely to be wrong, but I would still say 2040s look plausible. Once sufficiently reliable, low cost self driving cars have lots of have lots of use cases beyond just replacing conventional taxis that are often overlooked and would make car ownership less economically rational (particularly for those in cities) than it is now.

With actual paid for rides in just two cities, we are clearly very early in the adoption curve, where the customers will often be from the, "I have to be the first to try this" group (a tiny part of the whole market). Next comes early adopters, but after that comes the gradual take up by the majority, with the more sceptical the last to try the new thing. If you were an adult in 2005, ask yourself when you got your first smart phone. If the answer to this was last year, I would predict you are very sceptical of self driving cars. If you can't now remember when you got your first and have had several different handsets, chances are you'll be using self driving cars once they are established...
 

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If roads were made free of normal cars, and potential obstacles (like badly parked vehicles, pedestrians etc) were removed, then self driving vehicles would be fine. When working with humans, it will be a mess - as it is everywhere these things are being trialled. And that's before you consider the state of the vehicles being driven around with no staff onboard.

But if I could secure a nice round of funding to do a trial, and earn a nice salary, then I'm happy to tell you it's going to be the next big thing. If I preach enough, the value of my company will rocket and everyone will want in before the bubble bursts.
 

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I wouldn't mind a try in a driverless taxi, whether I might use them more often depends on how the first trip goes. It is incidentally possible with the price of cars going up anyway with new technology that all cars in future might operate on the basis of a taxi, were you merely hire one each day, and if its driverless, it wont only replace the taxi but also the bus as there is nothing to stop the elderly and disabled and unaccompanied children using it, I think in my lifetime we will reach that stage were at least some vehicles are driverless.
 

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Would feel pretty vulnerable in an area I didn’t know without a driver. A robot taxi won’t run people over therefore easy to be stopped, whether to rob you or just for their amusement/intimidation.
Friday/Saturday nights would be (even more) chaos.
Probably won’t pick you up/let you out where you want either, as it will have to follow the rules to the letter plus a wide safety margin. No ‘just here will be fine mate’.
I would miss chatting to the drivers, they can be pretty fun round here, and a robot taxi would be much slower (once had a great ride in a Merc taxi going at light speed with an enthusiastic driver).
 

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Would feel pretty vulnerable in an area I didn’t know without a driver.

This is kind of odd, because taxi drivers generally aren't DBS checked, you're locked in a car with them, and it's not at all unusual that they are the actual threat. Whereas in a robotaxi you're on your own or with whoever you choose, can presumably lock the doors and could call the Police if someone was being stupid or threatening from outside.
 

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This is kind of odd, because taxi drivers generally aren't DBS checked, you're locked in a car with them, and it's not at all unusual that they are the actual threat. Whereas in a robotaxi you're on your own or with whoever you choose, can presumably lock the doors and could call the Police if someone was being stupid or threatening from outside.
Never felt at all threatened by drivers.
if it was a robbery they would just break the windows.
I assume it would be normal to lock yourself in as you are stuck in the thing on your own and stopping it will be ridiculously easy, even if just to stop (other) drunks trying to get in and share.

Raises the question about whether they would ever be proper taxis that will pick up anyone, or will require an account (or at least a credit card, kicking off the no cash complaints)
 

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No, but in fairness,no matter how dangerous self-driving taxis are they are likely to be safer than a regular taxi in Bradford.
 

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Someone has a Youtube channel about his driverless taxi rides in Phoenix AZ (IIRC) using Waymo ... and all the incidents which occur ...
 

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No, but then I don't normally use taxis.

No, never.
My career in IT tells me not to trust technology for this purpose.

Likewise from playing computer games where the computer "cheats" I'm not sure if I would anyway.

Might be different where you are, but the standard of taxi driving round here is so bad I think a half-blind monkey would drive more safely, to be honest. I really don't understand how it can be allowed to get so bad,. but it is.

When visiting a friend when they were at Uni the joke was the safest place when a certain taxi firm was around was in the middle of the lane they should be driving in!!!
 

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Someone has a Youtube channel about his driverless taxi rides in Phoenix AZ (IIRC) using Waymo ... and all the incidents which occur ...
And that's in a city with absolutely massive roads. I can't wait to see how they perform in these sort of streets:

Have you got a link to the video?
 

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Andy Parsons wouldn't like the idea of driverless taxis, as he won't be able to get his problems off his chest at them - he joked when talking about sharing problems that he does it to taxi drivers: firstly to stop them sharing their problems, and it's amazing how much quicker you get to your b****y destination.
 

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How do you feel about travelling on the DLR?
I think that comparing the DLR (and other similar systems, such as the Heathrow T5 parking pods) is quite counterproductive.

The DLR is a closed loop system, with railed vehicles, that is constantly monitored by staff. No aspect of 'driverless cars' is going to feature any of those benefits, rather they will have put up with a great deal more.

Some things that the DLR does not have to put up with include:
  • 'Random' movements by other drivers
  • Bad parking
  • The inability to predict what other road users will do
  • Police direction (especially being given hand signals)
  • Road closures that the computer does not already know about
  • Implicit communication between drivers

Existing implementations of 'driverless' transport work only because there are so few variables involved in their operation. Public roads are not like that, and there is often too much going on for a computer to deal with.




There has been some talk of the 'driverless' cars in Phoenix, Arizona (which more often than not have a driver sat there anyway). It is worth mentioning that the roads out here are vastly different to those in England, which may contribute to the relative success such cars have enjoyed.
  • On-street parking is limited to the centre of town and residential areas.
  • US roads are generally quite predictable, and the Phoenix metropolitan area is a grid system of straight, 2/3 lane roads in each direction.
  • Most junctions are the same, with the same light sequence repeated.
  • There are comparatively few situations in which a car would have to assess right of way rules (hardly any roundabouts)
  • The volume of pedestrians is tiny, and they won't cross roads except at a crossing.
 

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A great deal of problems that self-driving vehicles are going to have to overcome (and in many cases won't be able to) is dealing with people getting in the way of a vehicle, incidents where a motorist needs to work out what to do in a logical, safe, fashion - perhaps negotiating with other motor vehicles, pedestrians, the police etc - and so on.

The DLR is a closed environment. Make cars operate on roads with no other hazards and, yes, you can now make them fully autonomous. But that would mean no pavements, so for a taxi where do they pick up and drop off? Designated points like bus stops? And where do these special roads operate in relation to existing roads and paths? Want to go to the pub? Well, chances are it isn't on a special road. A road that will be more akin to a segregated tram way, by which point you're back to something like the DLR or a tram (which in many places could perhaps be automated). Open it up for multiple users and there's no more need to have a car summoned to you, wasting energy to get to you and having to find somewhere to wait in the meantime. Obviously a normal taxi has this issue too, but a normal taxi with no work would likely just go home.
 

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I can see driverless taxis being ideal for a location like Manchester Airport where you might need to go from the station to your hotel in the evening and from your hotel to the terminal in the morning. At the moment, each hotel runs its own shuttle buses.

If you live in a small town away from major cities, it might also mean that there are actually taxis available at all times of the day rather than booked out on evenings at the weekend, school contracts in the week and church runs on Sunday.
 

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What makes you think there would be taxis available if they're currently used for other things? No company will pay for loads of spare taxis to sit around depreciating, so chances are you'd try and find a taxi like normal and see them all booked - or considerably more expensive due to demand.

Now, yes, you could argue that a taxi driver can only work so many hours (and ignore the ones that share a taxi between other family members) and so for a while the car is parked up as the driver sleeps, but driverless taxis would likely need to take time out to have someone clean it and recharge/refuel it.

Coaches probably make more sense for hotels. The larger hotels probably have lots of people coming and going to the airport every day, so it's going to be cheaper in the long run.
 
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What makes you think there would be taxis available if they're currently used for other things? No company will pay for loads of spare taxis to sit around depreciating, so chances are you'd try and find a taxi like normal and see them all booked - or considerably more expensive due to demand.

Now, yes, you could argue that a taxi driver can only work so many hours (and ignore the ones that share a taxi between other family members) and so for a while the car is parked up as the driver sleeps, but driverless taxis would likely need to take time out to have someone clean it and recharge/refuel it.

Coaches probably make more sense for hotels. The larger hotels probably have lots of people coming and going to the airport every day, so it's going to be cheaper in the long run.
That's like an hour at most, vs 8 hours (ideally much more but many Uber drivers really push themselves to the limit)
 

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I know there isn’t a right or wrong answer to the thread title, but I would just share my answer here.
If its a trustworthy person controlling from something like a computer, then yes, but if it’s a really bad robot then absolutely not. Reason: the taxi will probably crash in the latter situation
 

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What happens at the big event where all 40K spectators have ordered driverless taxis to take them home? How do you find the one you’ve ordered?
 

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