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90% of Network Rail workers expect a major accident to happen in the next 2 years due to cost cutting

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RMT Press Office:

Over 90% of Network Rail workers think a major railway incident is likely to happen in the next two years because of cuts, an RMT survey shows.

Network Rail plans to cut £1.2bn of its budget between 2024 and 2029, leading to an overwhelming majority of its staff fearing future accidents and serious safety-related incidents on the railway.
These cuts include abandoning track renewals for at least the next 5 years and the permanent loss of highly specialised, skilled jobs and equipment as reports of broken rails on our aging infrastructure rise.
In a damning indictment of these changes, 96% of Network Rail workers say the cuts in the next five years will worsen railway safety, with 77% of members saying it will ‘substantially worsen rail safety.’
Anonymous testimony backs up the statistics with RMT members on Network Rail saying:
  • "Planned cuts have staff morale at an all time low as it’s us who maintain the railway and management aren’t listening to us about the seriousness of cutting maintenance schedules and diluting skill levels on jobs. It’s front line staff that will carry the can for any serious incidents!!! "
  • "Not enough staff left to complete both faults and maintenance. Maintenance is being prioritised but still goes into backlog. Faults are left for days or weeks sometimes. Signallers are already complaining about the growing list of outstanding faults."
  • "Not enough staff even for the minimum safety maintenance work, using contractors that are not fully qualified for the jobs."
  • "Less staff, less heads working together on a problem. - more pressure on individuals causing them to seek medical help as the pressure to get things done is still the same as before but now with less men. Therefore productivity has taken a dip as the overall work force and work culture has lead to over stressed employees. Along with a shortage of staff, you can see that how this formula in any industry would be impacted and is not a healthy model."
  • "I am rail testing team leader already since modernising maintenance has started there have been more broken rails in the last 6 weeks than we have had in years. That is not just on my route but all over the country. Our training centre…is getting broken rails brought to them to for inspection every week now."
  • "On the western east route we have had several broken rails and crossings due to lack of staff."
Other key stats in the survey include:
  • 77.4% of Network Rail workers think the railway is less safe than it was 2 years ago.
  • 94.3% believe performance and reliability will worsen during the next 5-year period.
RMT general secretary Mick Lynch said: “These shocking survey results show the real fears of our members on the front line, as the reality of funding cuts to rail becomes clear.
“These cuts mean Network Rail will not renew a single mile of track for the next 5-8 years and the permanent loss of specialist workforce and equipment currently delivering 70% of Britain’s Track Renewals.
"Instead, passengers will experience a planned and deliberate reduction of the railway service as reliance on speed restrictions becomes the norm to mitigate the increased safety risk posed by decrepit rail tracks.
“We are watching the managed decline of a national asset.
“They must reverse these extremely damaging cuts and move to a genuine public ownership model which sees increased investment year on year and safety for rail workers and user as the number one priority.”
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Notes:

  • Government funding settlement for the next five-year Railway Control Period 7 from 2024 to 2029 will result in a £1.2bn cut in Network Rail's budget
  • RMT surveyed Network Rail members across the company with 977 members taking part
Key survey results:
Q. Do you think the railway is safer or less safe than it was 2 years ago?

The railway is substantially safer 1.54%
The railway is moderately safer 6.25%
No change 14.86%
The railway is moderately less safe 33.20%
The railway is substantially less safe 44.16%


Q. To what extent do you think the proposed cuts to renewals in the next five-year control period (CP7) will impact rail safety?
Will substantially improve rail safety 0.41%
Will moderately improve rail safety 0.51%
Will not make any difference 2.66%
Will moderately worsen rail safety 19.88%
Will substantially worsen rail safety 76.54%


Q. Based upon your experience do you think there is an increased risk of a major rail safety incident occurring on the railway within the next two years?
Very likely 57.42%
Likely 34.39%

Neither likely nor unlikely 5.94%
Unlikely 0.82%
Very unlikely 1.43%

Q. To what extent do you think the proposed cuts to renewals in the next five-year control period (CP7) will impact rail performance and reliability?
Will substantially improve rail performance and reliability 1.13%
Will moderately improve rail performance and reliability 0.72%
will not make any difference to rail performance and reliability 3.90%
Will moderately worsen rail performance and reliability 26.69%
Will substantially worsen rail performance and reliability 67.56%

RMT Press Office:

Scottish railways are likely to have major safety related incidents in the next two years, according to Network Rail workers in an RMT survey.

92% of those surveyed said that a major rail safety incident occurring on the railway within the next two years was "likely" with 45% saying it was "very likely."

66% of Network Rail members surveyed said railways were less safe than 2 years ago and 94% thought proposed cuts to renewals in the next five years would worsen rail safety.

RMT general secretary Mick Lynch said: "These stats are truly shocking and show that the cuts being made by Network Rail in Scotland over the next two years are unacceptable.

"Our members who are the experts on the safety of the railway infrastructure are saying loud and clear the cuts programme must end.

"The Scottish Government decides the funding envelope for Network Rail for each five-year control period so they must take responsibility and restore the £315 million funding that is due to be lost."

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- Total renewals expenditure for Scotland’s railway in the next 5 years (Control period 7) is £2.147bn which is £315m or 13% lower than in CP6 (£2.462bn).

- 150 Network Rail workers in Scotland responded to the survey.

The GWML in the Thames Valley region is really showing that this could happen, and to a lessor extent, so is the ECML with the issues we've had.
 
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Good old representative statistics and dodgy headlines! 977 people surveyed out of a company of 40,000.
 

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Was it a randomly selected survey, or a self selected survey?
RMT sent out an email inviting members to take part in the survey on the 1st of December. Here’s what it said:
Dear colleague,

Recently the Office of Rail and Road which acts as the financial regulator for the railway published detailed information on Network Rail's budget for the next five-year control period (CP7). This showed that there are plans to cut £1.2 billion (6%) from the budget for renewals in England and Wales and cut £315m (13%) from the budget for renewals in Scotland when compared to the previous five-year control period (CP6).

RMT is deeply concerned that these cuts will have a serious impact on the safety and performance of our railway at a time when there have already been major cutbacks. We want to hear the views of our members in Network Rail working in infrastructure, maintenance, and engineering.

Please take a few minutes to answer this important survey and please respond no later than 5pm on Tuesday 5th December.

Please click here to take the survey https://www.surveymonkey.com/

Yours sincerely,

Michael Lynch
General Secretary
Note that I have not included the full link, as the end date of the survey has passed.
The first post shows separately the press release for Scotland and for England and Wales.
 

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Then the mods need to change the title.
No survey will in practice ever get a response from everyone in a company even if it was tried, it’s implied that the results are of the people who took part. Political polls and indeed general election results are treated similarly.
 

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The text written shows poor quality of RMT HQ's press team, not of railway safety.

''92% of those surveyed said that a major rail safety incident occurring on the railway within the next two years was "likely" with 45% saying it was "very likely."'' they wrote.

This is very different from the question asked:

"Q. Based upon your experience do you think there is an increased risk of a major rail safety incident occurring on the railway within the next two years?"

The question does not ask if it is 'likely', only if it is 'more likely'.

It is more likely that I will get run over by a bus if I get out of bed in the morning than if I stay in bed. It is still not likely that I will get run over by a bus if I get out of bed in the morning.
 

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RMT sent out an email inviting members to take part in the survey on the 1st of December. Here’s what it said:
In which case it is likely that the more militant / active members of the RMT were overrepresented in the poll as they would be more likely to bother to complete the survey in the first place. It's a bit like those phone polls in the tabloids where 95% of people who rang the premium rate phone number to vote wanted to bring back hanging.
 

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Maybe the people who responded to the survey might have a point, and it might be nice to react to that rather than attempt to (if you’ll excuse the pun) deplatform them for the sake of it? Just a thought
 

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I would have thought that one of the biggest risks of a major accident would be a train crashing into a landslide** from a sudden embankment failure in a cutting, where there was no monitoring in place because there were no warning signs. The infrastructure seems to be reaching and passing its limits in this respect in more and more areas. But that's just a pretty uninformed guess, maybe nearly all the highest risk areas do have monitoring or other mitigation?

**Or derailing off a failed raised embankment.
 

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I would have thought that one of the biggest risks of a major accident would be a train crashing into a landslide** from a sudden embankment failure in a cutting, where there was no monitoring in place because there were no warning signs. The infrastructure seems to be reaching and passing its limits in this respect in more and more areas. But that's just a pretty uninformed guess, maybe nearly all the highest risk areas do have monitoring or other mitigation?

**Or derailing off a failed raised embankment.
There are far more broken rails happening on a daily basis than landslides. With more sections monitored with axle counters than track circuits these days, not as higher percentage of them are being picked up as would have done a few years ago.
We will be more reliant on the crash worthiness of rolling stock in the near future than previously.
 

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In which case it is likely that the more militant / active members of the RMT were overrepresented in the poll as they would be more likely to bother to complete the survey in the first place. It's a bit like those phone polls in the tabloids where 95% of people who rang the premium rate phone number to vote wanted to bring back hanging.
Agreed, should be taken with a massive pinch of salt. The RMT needs to live in the real world, where there ain't no magical money tree with endless cash to be thrown at the railways, especially after Brexit (which they supported)
 

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What an absolute non-story. Cherrypicked by the RMT no doubt.

I'm expecting a serious accident on the GWML soon
We're well overdue a big one. It's going to happen.

Either of you care to expand? Rail accident's aren't like tectonic plates or volcanos on a cycle. We've already had Stonehaven recently, if you're expecting a Southall or Ladbrook Grove size of incident then that's got to be founded on more than "it's been a while" or it's just wibble.
 

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I would like to think (as a non rail worker) that people have confidence in their colleagues.

This ‘expecting one soon’ is not only morbid but also expresses no confidence in the abilities of the well trained individuals who are out in all weathers ensuring the safety of our network!
Shame on the doubters. I for one get on a train most days with confidence that a rule book (written in blood!) keeps us all safe.

If anyone internal of NR knows of anything that could cause accidents they should be raising this or whistleblowing!

This should not be put on a forum for “experts” to debate.

This should be brought to the attention of NR who either need to do something about safety or something about workplace culture.

Rant over. Don’t respond with the usual BS as this doesn’t warrant a response.
 

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This should not be put on a forum for “experts” to debate.

This should be brought to the attention of NR who either need to do something about safety or something about workplace culture.

Why shouldn't it be discussed on a forum? It's an RMT press release, not the random opinion of a forum member.
 

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Why shouldn't it be discussed on a forum? It's an RMT press release, not the random opinion of a forum member.
Considering you’ve not responded to this thread prior to my reply I can only assume this is a regular RailUK Forums troll thing. Consider this your only engagement, there will be no more from me
 

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Considering you’ve not responded to this thread prior to my reply I can only assume this is a regular RailUK Forums troll thing. Consider this your only engagement, there will be no more from me

What a very strange response. Although you apparently won't read this it seems your ire should be directed towards the RMT, not forum members.
 

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Agreed, should be taken with a massive pinch of salt. The RMT needs to live in the real world, where there ain't no magical money tree with endless cash to be thrown at the railways, especially after Brexit (which they supported)
If you say so. I hope my family aren't on the train involved in the real world.
 

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Maybe the people who responded to the survey might have a point, and it might be nice to react to that rather than attempt to (if you’ll excuse the pun) deplatform them for the sake of it? Just a thought
You'd think so, wouldn't you? Especially given that their fears appear to be backed up by a recent spate of faults. Though I suppose that someone will pop up in a minute to allege that Mick Lynch has been sneaking out at night to put up TSR warning boards at random.

I would like to think (as a non rail worker) that people have confidence in their colleagues.

This ‘expecting one soon’ is not only morbid but also expresses no confidence in the abilities of the well trained individuals who are out in all weathers ensuring the safety of our network!
Don't you understand? They can't have confidence in colleagues because those colleagues no longer exist. Maintenance staff have been cut back. The orange army is now a mere platoon. Network Rail is planning a renewal holiday, just doing the barest minimum of maintenance.

And I'm afraid that I'm more inclined to listen to the rank and file on the subject of maintenance than to armchair experts (or desk jockeys at the DfT).
 

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