Vigorously?"Any light waved violently denotes danger" - as I seem to recall in rules sessions a long time ago. Is it still in the book...?
Vigorously?"Any light waved violently denotes danger" - as I seem to recall in rules sessions a long time ago. Is it still in the book...?
Vigorously?
Not sure - my rule books are buried somewhere in the study. !!!!
Fair enough, I take it back .Not sure - my rule books are buried somewhere in the study. !!!!
"Violently" is the word used in the current Rule Book (Module G1); it was also the word used in the Rule Book of 1950 (Rule 50).
From a thread in 2014 .....( I was passed in the 1972 Rulebook - not the 1950 one !)
Would it be 999 from a platform if there wasn't a signal post telephone on said platform?
From experience, it can take hours to get a response from it and it does state to call 999 for emergenciesDoes the 61016 (See It, Say It, Sorted) via British Transport Police have any part to play in such emergencies?
Would we not be in trouble if we picked up a telephone on a platform etc.? Wouldn’t it be safer for us just to find a member of staff? Of course I appreciate that not all stations are permanently staffed. I would hate to try to help, and get arrested or something.Yes indeed, or alternatively a help point emergency button.
Would we not be in trouble if we picked up a telephone on a platform etc.? Wouldn’t it be safer for us just to find a member of staff? Of course I appreciate that not all stations are permanently staffed. I would hate to try to help, and get arrested or something.
Fair enough, I take it back .
Indeed, we've had conversations locally here about doing a refresher for the physical parts of PTS as its all well and good passing the paper exam every few years, it's not the same as physically putting TCOCs or dets down.No need at all - as long as the ultimate aim of stopping a train from trackside is achieved.
Back in the day - I used to take new entrants out and about - pre PTS (who would be office based - but insisted they would have basics explained and for example , got them to put down a track circuit clip in a siding and where safety equipment was located in various rolling stock - after all , you never knew where they might need to help out in an emergency)
Indeed, we've had conversations locally here about doing a refresher for the physical parts of PTS as its all well and good passing the paper exam every few years, it's not the same as physically putting TCOCs or dets down.
My understanding is that if you use either the 999 or 112 emergency numbers, it is treated differently, as an emergency call, rather than it going through the normal switched network.Yes, I think it's possible to dial 999 and get through even if you have neither the data nor the call allowance, as long as there's some battery left! Whether they can get your location through that alone I'm not sure, but as there's a a signal and a pick-up point, they should get close?
There is a system "Advanced Mobile Location" (aka Emergency Location Service (ELS)) - for both Apple and Android based mobiles - for them to automatically send your location to emergency services: this (I understand) came out of the mobile industry, and is mandated for new phones - but quite to what extent the emergency services are set up to utilise it I don't know.Mountain Rescue Teams use something similar called Sarloc which finds your location very accurately. It is described in more detail in this article https://www.dsrtashburton.org.uk/co...method-for-locating-lost-climbers-and-walkers
One day last summer I was walking beside the Kennet and Avon canal, when I saw a long loaded Mendip stone train passing on the Berks & Hants line. I noticed that a wagon near the end of the train was emitting clouds of (blue ?) smoke. The idea of ringing someone from my mobile entered my head, but had no idea who I could ring. I was sure that when the train passed Newbury, one of the platform staff would notice and take action.03457 11 41 41 (which is the Network Rail emergency number) or 999.
Contact us - Network Rail
Live chat or call. For safety issues call our 24 hour helpline: 03457 11 41 41 To report a crime call the BTP: 0800 40 50 40, 999 or text: 61016www.networkrail.co.uk
It wasn't an immediate emergency so calling 999 might have been overkill. So the NR hotline would probably be your best bet. Newbury station could also have been a good shout.Who could I have rung?
Unless you know the Network Rail hotline/emergency number (and so can just ring it) - and how many people do? or even realise there might be one, that would appropriate to call? - I would say dial 999 - while it may not have been "an immediate emergency", it would not be unreasonable to assume it might develop into one, that needs 'killing' - better overkill than underkill.It wasn't an immediate emergency so calling 999 might have been overkill. So the NR hotline would probably be your best bet. Newbury station could also have been a good shout.
The majority of stations have help points on the platforms, usually with a button for emergencies. A member of the public reporting something safety related should use the help point if possible, rather than an internal phone or signal post telephone, which strictly speaking is for staff use onlyWould we not be in trouble if we picked up a telephone on a platform etc.? Wouldn’t it be safer for us just to find a member of staff? Of course I appreciate that not all stations are permanently staffed. I would hate to try to help, and get arrested or something.
Agreed. But just to stress, if you are certain that there's a danger then use whatever means at your disposal to make NR aware of it. Nobody is going to get in trouble for a good-faith attempt to prevent an accident or incident.A member of the public reporting something safety related should use the help point if possible, rather than an internal phone or signal post telephone, which strictly speaking is for staff use only
Good luck with getting access to the number for an individual station as a member of the public.It wasn't an immediate emergency so calling 999 might have been overkill. So the NR hotline would probably be your best bet. Newbury station could also have been a good shout.
Call was answered quickly but they then wanted a postcode or the name of the lane I was on (I had no reason to know either). Utterly bizarre that they couldn't pinpoint it immediately from the identity of the bridge!
Network Rail 'Public' Control number I would classify as one
A thought - if the line where you see something concerning isn't Network Rail, can/will they handle (whatever that might mean) it? Or ...?
To me this is definitely the KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) principle. Phone 999. It will be answered pretty much immediately.If I saw something like an over-blown tree my instant reaction would be to dial 999 in the hope they could alert - well, whoever, as a passer-by I wouldn't have any other clue.
Yes it is, which is why I stopped"Any light waved violently denotes danger" - as I seem to recall in rules sessions a long time ago. Is it still in the book...?
No, Network Rail doesn't deal with anything that isn't affecting its own infrastructure. It is actually a frustratingly common occurrence that one of the emergency services will contact NR Control about something happening on a heritage railway or tram line, either because the initial report from a member of the public isn't clear or because the services don't have contact details for them. Other than try and find the right phone number to pass on, NR cannot assist in these cases.A thought - if the line where you see something concerning isn't Network Rail, can/will they handle (whatever that might mean) it? Or ...?
The NR Helpline (03547 11 41 41) is the 'not quite emergency' number you're asking for. It is the phone number for members of the public who need to speak with Network Rail for any reason, not just emergencies. You can also find a live chat option and a general enquiries contact form on the Network Rail website.Perhaps there is a need for a 'not quite emergency' number, but there isn't one...
Glasgow City Council housing department immediately springs to mind....With the exception of the bridge strike hotline NR Control numbers are not given to the public, because they become grossly misused.
Not really, other than very (very) small fires which can be put out by hand with a extinguisher.Or would network rail have the infrastructure to deal with a fire?
I must say it doesn't seem to know what it's job is! Last time I tried to use it it kept giving me very cyclical options and eventually I gave up with my enquiry altogether!You can also find a live chat option [...] on the Network Rail website.
We did, it fell in the hands of the forum tidier.Surprised nobody until now has said Ghostbusters
I'll get my coat
We did, it fell in the hands of the forum tidier.
I'm so glad it wasn't just me! Every time I see the title of the thread I get an ear-worm...Surprised nobody until now has said Ghostbusters
I'll get my coat