In 2019 ORR published a worksheet listing the number of automatic ticket gates at each station.Number of Automatic Ticket Gates (ATGs) installed at each station in Great Britain, March 2019Out of the 2567(?!) Network Rail stations how many don't have *any* gatelines/ticket barriers at all?
Does anyone know where I can find this out? Or anyone like to estimate?
Number of Automatic Ticket Gates (ATGs) installed at each station in Great Britain, March 2019
With a very simple count function this sheet suggests that 2,189 stations, or 86% of station in the study, have no Automatic Ticket Gates.This spreadsheet contains data collected by Office of Rail and Road on a one-off basis for the purpose of its 2019 market study into the supply of ticket machines and ticket gates. The data is correct as of March 2019. An updated paper is due to be published in September 2021.
That's brilliant, thanks for finding that. More ungated stations than I expected!In 2019 ORR published a worksheet listing the number of automatic ticket gates at each station.Number of Automatic Ticket Gates (ATGs) installed at each station in Great Britain, March 2019
With a very simple count function this sheet suggests that 2,189 stations, or 86% of station in the study, have no Automatic Ticket Gates.
I think it varies a lot with where in the country you are.More ungated stations than I expected!
That's brilliant, thanks for finding that. More ungated stations than I expected!
It includes Beney Arms, Stanlow, Barlaston (?), etc. There's a lot of remote stations out there!More ungated stations than I expected!
It includes Beney Arms, Stanlow, Barlaston (?), etc. There's a lot of remote stations out there!
To go off at a tangent, what's the largest unbarried station?
Edinburgh has barriers to most platforms.Possibly Edinburgh Waverley (unless they’ve been installed since I was last there).
Sheffield is probably the largest on my patch.
How well would a station with one ticket gate work? Bi-directional operation? What happens when it breaks?(interestingly there don't seem to be any stations with only one gate, always either zero or two or more).
Probably Chesham if we were talking about LUL.Conversely, what's the smallest station with gates? Glossop, with one platform, must be in the frame.
Several stations were rebuilt in the early eighties with combined ticket office and (I think) single turnstile. Guessing they controlled entry only after sale or presentation of ticket - “freewheeling” on exit.How well would a station with one ticket gate work? Bi-directional operation? What happens when it breaks?
To go off at a tangent, what's the largest unbarried station?
Probably busiest.Largest by passenger numbers, physical area?
Wemyss Bay covers a pretty big footprint.
Called a passimeter (maybe thats LT speak). Berwick upon Tweed was so equipped in late 70's.Several stations were rebuilt in the early eighties with combined ticket office and (I think) single turnstile. Guessing they controlled entry only after sale or presentation of ticket - “freewheeling” on exit.
#!/usr/bin/python3
import csv
#convert string to integer, tolerating commas
#and treating some special values as a very
#large number
def myint(s):
if s[0] == '[':
return 1000000000000
return int(s.replace(',',''))
pastheader = False
barriercounts = {}
with open('ad-hoc-number-of-automatic-ticket-installed-at-each-station-in-great-britain-march-2019.csv') as csvfile:
reader = csv.reader(csvfile)
for row in reader:
if pastheader:
#print(repr(row))
barriercounts[row[0]] = int(row[2])
if row[0] == 'Station Name':
pastheader = True
pastheader = False
stationlist = []
with open('table-1410-passenger-entries-and-exits-and-interchanges-by-station.csv') as csvfile:
reader = csv.reader(csvfile)
for row in reader:
if pastheader:
#print(repr(row))
stationlist.append(row)
if row[0] == 'Station name':
pastheader = True
stationlist.sort(key = lambda row: myint(row[5]))
outputcount = 0
print('busiest stations without ticket barriers or with unknown number of ticket barriers')
for station in stationlist:
if outputcount > 20:
break
stationname = station[0]
rank = station[5]
if stationname not in barriercounts:
print('unknown '+stationname+' '+rank)
outputcount += 1
elif barriercounts[stationname] == 0:
print('none '+stationname+' '+rank)
outputcount += 1
#else:
# print(str(barriercounts[stationname])+' '+stationname+' '+rank)
# outputcount += 1
outputcount = 0
print
print('quietest stations with ticket barriers')
for station in reversed(stationlist):
if outputcount > 10:
break
stationname = station[0]
rank = station[5]
if stationname not in barriercounts:
pass
elif barriercounts[stationname] == 0:
pass
else:
print(str(barriercounts[stationname])+' '+stationname+' '+rank)
outputcount += 1
I doubt it will make any difference. The reason York does not have a gateline is because the city council refused planning permission for a gateline. I am not sure why as Newcastle is a Grade1 listed building and does have a gateline, but i guess it is up to the local council as to whether or not planning permission is granted.Could the York station redevelopment mean they finally get ticket gates?
I may be confusing stations, but wasn't the issue at York that the council claim there is a public right of way over the station footbridge?I doubt it will make any difference. The reason York does not have a gateline is because the city council refused planning permission for a gateline. I am not sure why as Newcastle is a Grade1 listed building and does have a gateline, but i guess it is up to the local council as to whether or not planning permission is granted.
I know what you are referring to but i think the barrier issue was a separate matter.I may be confusing stations, but wasn't the issue at York that the council claim there is a public right of way over the station footbridge?
Thanks for clarifying!I know what you are referring to but i think the barrier issue was a separate matter.
Regarding the right of way issue, the entrance near the Railway Museum is locked at night so i would not think it is a right of way.
Similar situation at Sheffield with the station footbridge being the main access to the SuperTram Stop.I know what you are referring to but i think the barrier issue was a separate matter.
Regarding the right of way issue, the entrance near the Railway Museum is locked at night so i would not think it is a right of way.
More likely because of the pleas from the DFT, who made it a franchise requirement of EMT (yes, trains, not railway) to gate all their stations.If only after pleas from Northern and XC, who i'm sure must lose their share of revenue here on a daily basis
DfT should do this a lot more with franchisees.More likely because of the pleas from the DFT, who made it a franchise requirement of EMT (yes, trains, not railway) to gate all their stations.
Guilty as charged. Genuinely thought it was the same in the rest of the country (and shocked that it isn't... Hopefully you guys get less fare evasion at your ungated stations than we do here in the mostly ungated London inner-metro services)I think it varies a lot with where in the country you are.
Some of the operators in London and the south east have a large proportion of thier stations gated. If you live in one of these areas you would be forgiven for thinking that gating was the norm.
It was big news to me when Manchester Victoria got gate lines (~2015), but at least it has a lot of them (which still can't keep up with the flow of passengers).Guilty as charged. Genuinely thought it was the same in the rest of the country (and shocked that it isn't... Hopefully you guys get less fare evasion at your ungated stations than we do here in the mostly ungated London inner-metro services)
This really gets on my nerves. Barriers shouldn't be fitted if there's not enough room to fit enough for the number of people using the station. Weston and Bath both come to mind.It was big news to me when Manchester Victoria got gate lines (~2015), but at least it has a lot of them (which still can't keep up with the flow of passengers).
Even some parts of Manchester Piccadilly don't have barriers, instead having people stand there and manually checking.
Wigan Wallgate got barriers (4 + 1 wide one) and they've been nothing but a pain since, turning a previously free flowing exit into a choke point, and now using the lift requires a much more convoluted route.