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Why is there a delay in getting the Versas ready? They were replaced last September, none completed for months (some transferred to Notts & Derby & put straight into service), and only now are starting to trickle out.
Not sure, there are at least two painted but had no MOT at end of last week. They could be in process of being refurbished inside of course. Think all the work is being done at Langley Mill, and I guess keeping the working fleet on the road takes priority.
 
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Former Nottingham City Transport Enviro 200 393 is now running around the Derbyshire Dales still in full NCT Blue Line livery with operator names, having been acquired by Derbyshire Community Transport. It was retired at NCT as part of the roll over of some routes to Yutong electric vehicles.
 

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Why is there a delay in getting the Versas ready? They were replaced last September, none completed for months (some transferred to Notts & Derby & put straight into service), and only now are starting to trickle out.
Yes, most strange 815 has come out, yet 820/821 and 824 haven't. Maybe they only appear when Rishi Sunak visits. Short of buses? Overhauled standing on the depot. Buses SORN and expired MOT. Makes you wonder. Meanwhile Notts and Derby just get on with it
 

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Former Nottingham City Transport Enviro 200 393 is now running around the Derbyshire Dales still in full NCT Blue Line livery with operator names, having been acquired by Derbyshire Community Transport. It was retired at NCT as part of the roll over of some routes to Yutong electric vehicles.
There's only 2/3 of the Yutongs out today, and many seem to be coming off service during the day? Maybe some teething issues or are they having larger problems with them.

Edit: 203, 205, 207, 210 and 212 are all off today?
 

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Having been on Stagecoach Stonegravels 22628 on the 1 yesterday, it crawled up Hady Hill at ~5Mph. With it being the last remaining MAN E300 in chesterfield, it's bound to be withdrawn soon. (The DVLA states the MOT expires in July).

Why do the allocators keep assigning it to the 1/1a, a route with many hills that make it struggle. Surely it'd be better suited on a less intensive route to keep it going for a little longer (the only route that springs to mind is the 51)
 

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Having been on Stagecoach Stonegravels 22628 on the 1 yesterday, it crawled up Hady Hill at ~5Mph. With it being the last remaining MAN E300 in chesterfield, it's bound to be withdrawn soon. (The DVLA states the MOT expires in July).

Why do the allocators keep assigning it to the 1/1a, a route with many hills that make it struggle. Surely it'd be better suited on a less intensive route to keep it going for a little longer (the only route that springs to mind is the 51)
The 1/1a is the only route that regularly gets the E300s. Not totally clear why, it does need the capacity boost over an E200 but it can't be clearances as it does occasionally see gold deckers.

To be fair, it isn't actually losing time against the timetable on that section. Although whether that means the timetable has been set to allow for buses crawling up Hady Hill I don't know. It will be interesting to see if they are able to tighten timetables on a few routes once the EVs arrive.
 

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I have just spotted what I think is Versa 832 on Ashby Road heading into Loughborough with a plain blue engine cover. I wonder if perhaps it's been debranded?
To answer my own question, 832 still has 11/12 branding on the sides, although the number are rather wonky on the offside.
 

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Former Nottingham City Transport Enviro 200 393 is now running around the Derbyshire Dales still in full NCT Blue Line livery with operator names, having been acquired by Derbyshire Community Transport. It was retired at NCT as part of the roll over of some routes to Yutong electric vehicles.
Fleet number 459 on 142 service I think

The Trentbarton Red Arrow service seems to be down to two coaches and four single deckers again today, seeing missing services elsewhere...You get the feeling this service is failing to deliver to expectations. No wonder the trains are busy. Really not sure coaches are the right vehicles for this route
 
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Don't think this would have happened before...

Nottingham vehicle 135 (i4 branded) was in service on the 6.1 this evening! Glad to see someone seeing sense! With new vehicles maybe we can see a new dawn for the company going back to how it was... :)
 

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Don't think this would have happened before...

Nottingham vehicle 135 (i4 branded) was in service on the 6.1 this evening! Glad to see someone seeing sense! With new vehicles maybe we can see a new dawn for the company going back to how it was... :)
Just paint them all red and cream and no-one will notice. Too many people turned away from buses now.

Looks like just one coach and three single deckers on the Dead Arrow today .. Of course this is the Trentbarton premium service with an advertised service every 10 minutes...well on days when there are 30 days in February.

Former Nottingham City Transport Enviro 200 393 is now running around the Derbyshire Dales still in full NCT Blue Line livery with operator names, having been acquired by Derbyshire Community Transport. It was retired at NCT as part of the roll over of some routes to Yutong electric vehicles.
The Nottingham Enviro appears to have gone back.
 

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As you appear to quite knowledgeable about Trent Barton's services, why does this company not prune its timetables, particularly on higher frequency routes, to try to ensure that advertised services actually run, given its shortages of staff/vehicles?
 

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The Nottingham Enviro appears to have gone back.
There are 6 Yutongs off today- such a shame and I wonder what the problem is.

NCT 349 has been involved in a fire this morning.

https://www.nctx.co.uk/statement-bus-fire-20th-april-2024

Statement on Bus Fire, 20th April 2024
Today Sat 20th Apr 2024

Earlier this morning, Saturday 20th April 2024, one of our diesel buses operating on Sky Blue Line 47 caught fire on Mapperley Plains.

Our driver quickly evacuated the bus and called 999 to request the Fire Service. There are no reported casualties.

We have our team at the scene and will work with all agencies to determine the cause of the fire.

Our thoughts are with all affected and we thank our driver for their quick response.
 
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As you appear to quite knowledgeable about Trent Barton's services, why does this company not prune its timetables, particularly on higher frequency routes, to try to ensure that advertised services actually run, given its shortages of staff/vehicles?
I have absolutely no idea. Maybe they fear competition from a half decent company. Neither Trentbarton or Kinchbus seem to be able to deliver a full service. Ah well, at least Solos 471 and 492 are helping out on the Mickleover.
 

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There are 6 Yutongs off today- such a shame and I wonder what the problem is.

There has been an organised visit of the Omnibus Society to various East Midlands operators including NCT today - a few have been held to allow for viewing.
 

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Here's something to chew on. Reported by a Trent driver on Facebook. Allocations for the 29 new ADLs on order.

(Note this could be a rumour)

I'm also wondering what fleet numbers they'd carry, and if they'd be fitted with tinted windows and USB-C charging like The Threes ADLs.

Edit: Didn't the H1 have a Volvo repainted recently?
By then I reckon a majority of Trent Barton buses could be Enviro 200 MMCs.
 

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There has been an organised visit of the Omnibus Society to various East Midlands operators including NCT today - a few have been held to allow for viewing.
I’m currently on 207 on the 39 - aircon seems to be out with all the hopper windows open instead. Having said that, it’s a better temperature than the one I was on last week which aircon seemed to be heating the bus up with the temp display proudly displaying 20 degrees inside and 13 outside. 207 is saying 15 degrees inside for comparison.

I’ve also noticed that the big LCDs seem to be a minute ahead of the red LED temperature/stopping signs.

Apart from that, great buses in terms of ride and build quality.
 

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aircon seemed to be heating the bus up with the temp display proudly displaying 20 degrees inside and 13 outside.
The heating up is probably intentional, as it's a heat pump system that can run in reverse to warm the interior. At least in the UK climate, this should avoid the need for auxiliary fossil fuel heaters on EV buses as some have overseas. It's probably the only reason these buses have aircon at all, as NCT have never specified it before and have issued press releases on various hot days in the past to apologise for interior temperatues but point out the high cost for something that's only needed occasionally.

The actual temperature achieved may be evidence of a fault in the system, although 20 degrees sounds quite comfortable on a chilly morning like today...

Any more news on the bus fire reported on NCT website? https://www.nctx.co.uk/statement-bus-fire-20th-april-2024

Earlier this morning, Saturday 20th April 2024, one of our diesel buses operating on Sky Blue Line 47 caught fire on Mapperley Plains.

Our driver quickly evacuated the bus and called 999 to request the Fire Service. There are no reported casualties.

We have our team at the scene and will work with all agencies to determine the cause of the fire.

Our thoughts are with all affected and we thank our driver for their quick response.
 

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Any more news on the bus fire reported on NCT website?
It was Optare Solo 349 on the Sky Blue 47 heading towards Nottingham on Mapperley Plains. As far as I'm aware it's not being investigated by police and I would imagine its was the engine catching fire.
 

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Any more news on the bus fire reported on NCT website? https://www.nctx.co.uk/statement-bus-fire-20th-april-2024
BBC Have reported on it...
Bus services in Nottinghamshire are suffering "severe delays" after a vehicle fire led to a partial road closure.
Emergency services were called to Spring Lane in Mapperley on Saturday morning after a fire on a bus.
Nottingham City Transport said at about 11:20 BST the 46 and 47 services are diverting in both directions via Colliery Way and Lambley Lane.
Nottinghamshire Police said no injuries were reported.
In a statement Nottingham City Transport said one of its diesel buses on the Sky Blue Line 47 caught fire on Mapperley Plains, with the driver evacuating the bus before calling emergency services.
The bus operator said its team was working at the scene with all agencies to determine the cause of the fire.
 

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It was Optare Solo 349 on the Sky Blue 47 heading towards Nottingham on Mapperley Plains. As far as I'm aware it's not being investigated by police and I would imagine its was the engine catching fire.
Thanks for that. Going by the photo on the link, rather think that will be a write-off... I assume the Solos are planned to be replaced by EVs anyway, sometime fairly soon.
 

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Thanks for that. Going by the photo on the link, rather think that will be a write-off... I assume the Solos are planned to be replaced by EVs anyway, sometime fairly soon.
On NCT's Website fleet list it has 349 removed so they have probably decided it is, most tend to be a write-off after a fire anyway
 

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On NCT's Website fleet list it has 349 removed so they have probably decided it is, most tend to be a write-off after a fire anyway
Of course it's not going to be repaired, it looks pretty totalled to me. I would think such an incident would have to be quite minor for the vehicle to see the road again. For instance Arriva's 4765 had a small fire last year, but it's still kicking today.
 

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Of course it's not going to be repaired, it looks pretty totalled to me. I would think such an incident would have to be quite minor for the vehicle to see the road again. For instance Arriva's 4765 had a small fire last year, but it's still kicking today.
yeah depends on the cost too
 

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The heating up is probably intentional, as it's a heat pump system that can run in reverse to warm the interior. At least in the UK climate, this should avoid the need for auxiliary fossil fuel heaters on EV buses as some have overseas. It's probably the only reason these buses have aircon at all, as NCT have never specified it before and have issued press releases on various hot days in the past to apologise for interior temperatues but point out the high cost for something that's only needed occasionally.

The actual temperature achieved may be evidence of a fault in the system, although 20 degrees sounds quite comfortable on a chilly morning like today...
Yeah I think aircon comes as standard on the Yutongs as it’s their only heating. It was the afternoon peak so it probably was quite comfortable on its return journey into town, but it was a bit stuffy when it was full and standing on my journey. At least there won’t be any reports or threads of the buses not having heating I suppose.
 

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Yeah I think aircon comes as standard on the Yutongs as it’s their only heating. It was the afternoon peak so it probably was quite comfortable on its return journey into town, but it was a bit stuffy when it was full and standing on my journey. At least there won’t be any reports or threads of the buses not having heating I suppose.
It will be interesting to see how they do on a really cold winter day. Heating on diesel or gas buses is effectively free due to the amount of waste heat from the engine, but the UK climate tends to need more heating than cooling so this is probably when the heat pump is most tested.
 

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I have absolutely no idea. Maybe they fear competition from a half decent company. Neither Trentbarton or Kinchbus seem to be able to deliver a full service. Ah well, at least Solos 471 and 492 are helping out on the Mickleover.
Will they ever go cashless because I rarely see people using cash now on these, it’s good with NCT as it reduces dwell time at the bus stop. And with the way TB timetables are I wonder!
 
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Hi,

It apparently had faults but was sent out anyway due to a shortage of buses


Will they ever go cashless because I rarely see people using cash now on these, it’s good with NCT as it reduces dwell time at the bus stop. And with the way TB timetables are I wonder!
It is interesting you say about Trentbarton going cashless. When they replaced the Mango card with the app, it seemed as more people (not very frequent passengers) just went back to cash. For many, it did not matter which bus they caught ot they were never likely to max out. I have friends who have ditched the Mango app, and some who now pay for a Zigzag in cash, rather than card. Maybe they think they will get overcharged (and people do think that). Last time I actually caught a TB bus, it seemed to take forever...but that said, I caught a Stagecoach X17 from Matlock to Chesterfield and even where there was just one passenger to get on, it took sooooooo long. On a different matter, Notts and Derby are now operating former Trentbarton Solo 474. It all seems rather strange, given Trentbarton don't have enough buses to run all their services as it is (no sign of any 6.2 services today). Might be a case of services that make a loss, mysteriously break down. Potential passengers just use other modes, or claim for a taxi. I heard the other day that refunds had exceeded £160k in a year .
 

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Notts and Derby are now operating former Trentbarton Solo 474.
I literally just noticed this, I checked and it doesn't appear to have MOT (not like that would stop it), but it might not of updated yet on the government website, but it does have tax so it might be out? I am thinking it might just be the ticket machine though
 

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I literally just noticed this, I checked and it doesn't appear to have MOT (not like that would stop it), but it might not of updated yet on the government website, but it does have tax so it might be out? I am thinking it might just be the ticket machine though
The manager of Notts and Derby told me he was expecting 471 and 474.
 

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