postal requisition TFL

[JATIN KUMAR]

I have received postal requisition from TFL last Friday.

I was using my wife student photo oyster card.

They have caught me using my wife oyster card in feb end.

And i have used it multiple times and they have mention that i used it 262.

I know i did it.

I am ready to pay the fine but i dont want it to be in my record.

Please guide how can i settle this as i am on spouse visa

 

[skyhigh]

I know i did it.

I am ready to pay the fine but i dont want it to be in my record.

To be blunt, you've broken the law 262 times. You agree that you did it.

TfL almost always prosecute. They have decided to prosecute you here.

Realistically you are not going to get out of this without a criminal conviction.

Please guide how can i settle this as i am on spouse visa

We are unable to give advice on immigration matters.

 

[AlterEgo]

I have received postal requisition from TFL last Friday.

I was using my wife student photo oyster card.

They have caught me using my wife oyster card in feb end.

And i have used it multiple times and they have mention that i used it 262.

I know i did it.

I am ready to pay the fine but i dont want it to be in my record.

Please guide how can i settle this as i am on spouse visa

TfL have now sent a requisition for you to attend court and a settlement is essentially not possible. You have committed the offences and shown repeated dishonesty and will be prosecuted for them.

TfL almost never settle these cases anyway. You should speak to an immigration solicitor about your visa or right to remain; coming in as a guest to a foreign country on a visa and committing 262 offences is not a great idea, but you may find the impact on you is less than you might first imagine.

if you accept all of the offences taken into consideration you should indicate so in the requisition by signing in the box marked.

 

[JBuchananGB]

TFL have however decided to only prosecute you for one offence. You MUST attend the court on the date, time and place stated on order that the other 262 offences can be "Taken Into Consideration" without being prosecuted. That means that in addition to the fares avoided £113.60 and the TFL costs of £375 you will also have a fine levied by the magistrates, to which a victim surcharge will be added. And you will have a criminal record. No-one here can comment about visa implications.

 

[30907]

TFL have however decided to only prosecute you for one offence.

This is their normal practice. It means that you only need to mention that single conviction when you are asked.

You MUST attend the court on the date, time and place stated on order that the other 262 offences can be "Taken Into Consideration" without being prosecuted. That means that in addition to the fares avoided £113.60 and the TFL costs of £375 you will also have a fine levied by the magistrates, to which a victim surcharge will be added. And you will have a criminal record.

Fortunately it seems you are being prosecuted under the Byelaws - the conviction will be "spent" after one year, and it is very unlikely to appear an Enhanced DBS check.

 

[greyman42]

TFL have however decided to only prosecute you for one offence. You MUST attend the court on the date, time and place stated on order that the other 262 offences can be "Taken Into Consideration" without being prosecuted.

If only being prosecuted for one offence, then why mention the other 262?

 

[JATIN KUMAR]

Yes i am confuse. Please advice

 

[Spaceship323]

If only being prosecuted for one offence, then why mention the other 262?

As a strong warning I would think, because if the OP doesn't attend the hearing to have them "taken into account" then they will be added to the charge?

 

[greyman42]

As a strong warning I would think, because if the OP doesn't attend the hearing to have them "taken into account" then they will be added to the charge?

If they wish to do that then surely they would do it with the initial charge?

 

[skyhigh]

If only being prosecuted for one offence, then why mention the other 262?

If the other offences are accepted, then they will essentially be rolled up in one prosecution. Only 1 offence will be charged but the level of compensation would be based on all 263 fares evaded - so £113.60.

If the offender declines to have the other offences taken into consideration then TFL can look to prosecute those separately, which if successful would result in multiple convictions and multiple court fines.

The process is designed to save time and money for the prosecuting authority and court, as well as wiping the slate clean for the offender.

 

[greyman42]

If the other offences are accepted, then they will essentially be rolled up in one prosecution. Only 1 offence will be charged but the level of compensation would be based on all 263 fares evaded - so £113.60.

If the offender declines to have the other offences taken into consideration then TFL can look to prosecute those separately, which if successful would result in multiple convictions and multiple court fines.

The process is designed to save time and money for the prosecuting authority and court, as well as wiping the slate clean for the offender.

It is not certain whether TFL would prosecute each charge separately.

 

[Snow1964]

Yes i am confuse. Please advice

TfL will only charge you with the one where you were stopped. They only need one fare evasion to take you to Court.

The second part is the level of any penalty and compensation (how many fares do you owe). There is an electronic history of journeys with the pass that was used. They might produce a print out for the court, and would want you to offer to pay for all the free journeys using someone else's pass.

If you do not cooperate they might use other tactics (withdraw the pass and prosecute the holder for lending it out etc.).

 

[skyhigh]

It is not certain whether TFL would prosecute each charge separately.

That is the point though. By admitting them they are settled. If you don't, then it's still open to TfL to prosecute.

 

[JATIN KUMAR]

TfL will only charge you with the one where you were stopped. They only need one fare evasion to take you to Court.

The second part is the level of any penalty and compensation (how many fares do you owe). There is an electronic history of journeys with the pass that was used. They might produce a print out for the court, and would want you to offer to pay for all the free journeys using someone else's pass.

If you do not cooperate they might use other tactics (withdraw the pass and prosecute the holder for lending it out etc.).

okay i can understand. but will it affects me in my records (DBS check and immigration as a serious criminal offence

 

[AlterEgo]

okay i can understand. but will it affects me in my records (DBS check and immigration as a serious criminal offence

You will have a criminal record, but whether it will affect your immigration status is not something we know much about. You should speak to an immigration solicitor about this.

 

[transportphoto]

but will it affects me in my records (DBS check and immigration as a serious criminal offence

This forum cannot advise on any impact upon immigration matters.

 

[JATIN KUMAR]

You will have a criminal record, but whether it will affect your immigration status is not something we know much about. You should speak to an immigration solicitor about this.

What you suggest what should i do ?

 

[Hadders]

What you suggest what should i do ?

We are a foum that specialises in giving advice in railway ticketing matters. We are not experts in immigration matters and cannot give advice about this.

 

[greyman42]

That is the point though. By admitting them they are settled. If you don't, then it's still open to TfL to prosecute.

Agreed, but my point was that TfL might not be inclined to do so.

 

[skyhigh]

Agreed, but my point was that TfL might not be inclined to do so.

If they prosecute even 1 other offence the OP would be considerably better off (financially and otherwise) asking for the other offences to be taken into consideration and paying the additional £113 compensation they are asking for.

If you're suggesting the OP doesn't ask for the additional offences to be taken into consideration just because TfL might drop them, I think that's quite a high risk strategy and not brilliant advice.

 

[island]

I am ready to pay the fine but i dont want it to be in my record.

I'm afraid that's not a choice you get to make. You broke the law 263 times and you have to face the consequences of that, whether you like it or not.

The offence you've been charged with is non-recordable which means in ordinary circumstances it will not appear on standard or basic DBS checks, and will only appear on enhanced DBS checks where an officer reviewing the application determines it is relevant information to the role or other purpose that the DBS check is being issued for.

UK Visas and Immigration do not use DBS when considering applications; they have direct access to the court and police records. As others mention, we cannot give you immigration advice.

 

[AlterEgo]

What you suggest what should i do ?

Did you read the post you quoted?

 

[WesternLancer]

What you suggest what should i do ?

If the consequences of all this are more significant for you you could consider advice or help from a solicitor.

Manak solicitors are often recommended on this forum by people who have used them for ticket related cases. You could ring them to see what fee they would charge to help you.

 

[notmyrealname]

Would that be Manek solicitors, WesternLancer? Spellcheck may have got you.

 

[greyman42]

If you're suggesting the OP doesn't ask for the additional offences to be taken into consideration just because TfL might drop them, I think that's quite a high risk strategy and not brilliant advice.

I would agree with that, I was just saying what the options were.

 

[skyhigh]

I would agree with that, I was just saying what the options were.

I would politely suggest that you could have worded that more clearly. It read to me as if you didn't know what Taken Into Consideration meant and were asking why they were giving it as an option and not just charging the whole lot.

 

[Gonzoiku]

Would that be Manek solicitors, WesternLancer? Spellcheck may have got you.

Or even Manak!

GZ

 

[WesternLancer]

Or even Manak!

GZ

Thanks. Darned auto spell!

 

[notmyrealname]

Thank you from me too. Serves me right for relying on my memory. We got there in the end.

 

[shell07]

I have received postal requisition from TFL last Friday.

I was using my wife student photo oyster card.

They have caught me using my wife oyster card in feb end.

And i have used it multiple times and they have mention that i used it 262.

I know i did it.

I am ready to pay the fine but i dont want it to be in my record.

Please guide how can i settle this as i am on spouse visa

Hello, Im in the same situation. May I ask what happened to your situation now?