Correct, though with GWR units going through C6 a right now, adding one more to the fleet would allow the initial Newquay hourly service to go ahead in May without the 175s....
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TT-ONR-NRN
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It probably could anyway, likely at the expense of a four carriage Exmouth Paignton diagram.
There's one Frankenstein unit at TfW (150279) made up two none crashed carriages that presumably has had all the works, it would be odd if it went to SIMs so soon!
Anyway that is off topic, I did like the 4 car GWR 175 the AI had created! Realistically it could be done by stealing a 3 car centre car so maybe they know something we don't
Anyway that is off topic, I did like the 4 car GWR 175 the AI had created! Realistically it could be done by stealing a 3 car centre car so maybe they know something we don't
irish_rail
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I believe this has been put back beyond May now as the works are behind.
Anonymous10
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However they are only being withdrawn at the end of their C6 certificate so would require a new c6 exam.
Adding one more to the fleet adds one more to the C6 programme....
We regularly have two car trains now and students get left behind, so certainly don't want to lose any 150s.
Interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if this is related to Treasury>DfT>NR release of funds (micro-management) rather than ability to keep to programme.
delt1c
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So cost and profit over service to the public, it is called public transport for a reason
Wilts Wanderer
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Calling it cost and revenue would be more accurate. I don’t disagree with you though.
Goldfish62
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Indeed. Cost and "profit" is an utterly meaningless comparison.
Anonymous10
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The issue is even if a tfw unit was acquired they would need a c6 and alot of work doing. They are reported to be rotten and riddled with rust. So would be talking months from transfer to actual availability.
What would the power situation be with a four car 175?
Tevion539
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Would 4 cars fit on their intended route? The 175s don’t have SDO. They do have TUDI, but this must be activated in the trailing cab of the desired unit and only locks out trailing units.
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All 175 cars are powered.
Slip one ex-TfW unit into the GWR C6 programme and maximise the mileage on the existing GWR fleet before they head to Wolverton. That gives an extra unit in traffic.
It’s an option to keep the Cornwall Metro promise if DfT (Treasury) pulls the 175 deal.
TY, l was unsure about that.
Can the TUDI selection not be made from the driving cab? Seems a rather bizarre design if it were only operable from the rearmost unit, how is that intended to work mid-journey?
It is operated in the rear cab of the front unit. But it's not designed to be used as an SDO system during a journey and it is unlikely that GWR will use it in that way (too much risk of error).
Ah; I mis-read the original post!
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At the 175s previous TOC, TUDI was operated solely by the guard (as they had sole control over everything door related). There was a protocol in place for using it mid journey with passengers onboard if absolutely necessary but it rarely was carried out - mostly it was used to lock a unit out for the duration.
Are they full guard release? Their class 180 cousins had an unusual arrangement involving driver & guard exchanging buzzes, ISTR!
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Yes, full guard release. As built they were set up for driver release, and the intermediate panels only had close buttons, but the wiring has been removed from the drivers release buttons, and release buttons have been added to the intermediate panels (in addition to the full panels on the cab bulkhead).
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Tevion539
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I worked the 175s for about six months before they left service. The above posts are correct. The doors are fully guard controlled and TUDI was supposedly used when running multiple units on the Marches. Leominster, Ludlow and Abergavenny have shorter platforms and wouldn’t accommodate 6 coaches. The official stance was that if we were to leave the rear unit unlocked, anyone for stations with short platforms were to be made aware by the time they reach the penultimate stop so that they could move to the front unit in a timely manner. However, I never experienced anyone ever using TUDI and rear units were typically just locked out of use. Multiple 175s only typically run when one had been to Chester for service and needed to get to Cardiff in my experience.
REVUpminster
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I suppose they can send two, maybe three, units at a time from Ely or it will take forever to get them to Laira.
Anonymous10
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They were sent 2 at a time to Ely from landore.
BillStampy
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Don't believe so, 5W79 is going to pick up 175006 from Landore to take it to Ely, last one there.
