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Realtime Trains | 2B60 2120 Manchester Piccadilly to Buxton | 11/01/2024
Real-time train running information for 2B60 2120 departure from Manchester Piccadilly to Buxton on 11/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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northwichcat
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I think both 11 and 12 have limited movements to maximise capacity for 13 and 14. Services to Chester via Altrincham used to be allocated platform 11 but they are now allocated lower number platforms.
You can look at RTT for the normal platform allocations: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...24-01-15/0200-0159?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
It looks like, as well as some evening Buxton services, some electric units that are either heading for the depot or have just come from the depot use that platform.
8 wouldn't be normal, as most hours it's allocated the xx:25 arrival from Chester (which goes back out at xx:10) and the xx:41 arrival from Crewe (which goes back out at xx:06). So the TfW Rail unit would be blocked in until 40 minutes after its departure time, if it went in there!
You can look at RTT for the normal platform allocations: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...24-01-15/0200-0159?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
It looks like, as well as some evening Buxton services, some electric units that are either heading for the depot or have just come from the depot use that platform.
8 wouldn't be normal, as most hours it's allocated the xx:25 arrival from Chester (which goes back out at xx:10) and the xx:41 arrival from Crewe (which goes back out at xx:06). So the TfW Rail unit would be blocked in until 40 minutes after its departure time, if it went in there!
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Mcr Warrior
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Is a four coach length train the maximum that can be accommodated at Manchester Piccadilly platform 12?
Ah okay. i know before Covid when i used the service platform 8 used to be quite common. I think 10 was used the last twice i went to Manchester.
Xenophon PCDGS
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A four-coach train on local services seems adequate.
Using another terminal platform doesn't really change capacity to 13/14, unless you're also using a different arrival line.
Of far more importance for 10, 11 and 12 is the fact that the turnout is partway along Platform 9. The full length of 9 is 330m according to the Sectional Appendix, but the length of 9 clear to the signal protecting the turnout is only 212m so a Pendo or double Voyager blocks 10-12 out. Add in that 11 and 12 are less than 100m long and using them too much can restrict operational flexibility.
northwichcat
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Northern rarely use more than 4 on any of their services. There are a limited number of services operated by pairs of 3 car units, but they wouldn't be normally going into a terminus platform at Piccadilly.
However, if the platform could only take 4 it would limit options for two different services using the same platform.
Thomas6187
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The following use Platform 12 during normal service:
0606 Crewe
0820 Buxton
1718 Stoke, the unit for this stables from 0825
1736 Crewe
1836 Crewe
1920 Buxton
1936 Wilmslow
2020 Buxton
2036 Wilmslow
2120 Buxton
2323 Hazel Grove
On Sundays it tends to be used to stable units
0606 Crewe
0820 Buxton
1718 Stoke, the unit for this stables from 0825
1736 Crewe
1836 Crewe
1920 Buxton
1936 Wilmslow
2020 Buxton
2036 Wilmslow
2120 Buxton
2323 Hazel Grove
On Sundays it tends to be used to stable units
Greybeard33
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From a passenger interchange point of view, a unique feature of P12 is that, unlike P1 - P11, it does not have a stairway to the mid platform footbridge and P13/14 satellite lounge. To get from P12 to P13/14, you either have to use the lift at the country end or exit to the main concourse and go back up the travelator. This may make interchange slower for able bodied passengers, although the lift is helpful for the mobility impaired.
323235
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Does the lift on Platform 12 still only go down from the platform?
Sir Felix Pole
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P12 was taken out of use completely with the 1989 remodelling and one of the supports for the additional P13 passenger bridge plonked on the trackbed. The track was restored in 2002 for the Commonwealth Games , but the offending pillar meant the usable length of the platform had to be shortened.
AIUI northern normally park a 3 car EMU in it for most of the day, it comes out in the evening rush hour and is also sometimes used if they need a spare train in a hurry.
Jamesrob637
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I've been from it countless times in the past few years so I'd like to think so unless the train companies or Notwork Fail have been doing something severely wrong!
craigybagel
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A few years ago, 8 was the norm for most TfW services, but I've not been in there for years.
These days 10 is the most common, but there are occasional trips to the lower numbered platforms during the day. 67/MKIV services can't go into 11 or 12 - when they get extended to 5 car they'll only just fit into 10.
I think TFW may have used Platform 3 and definately platform 5. Never known it to go from 1 or 2, thats almost always local Northern services or TPE services to Leeds.
I had a feeling 10 was more common now, often there is a Northern train in front.
craigybagel
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TfW can use any platform between 1-14*, and almost certainly have (2 is the only one I've not personally been out of yet).
Rare to but not unknown to see 10 shared with a Northern, and it'll be pretty much impossible when all TfW services are booked 5 x 197 or 5 + 2 MKIV.
*Chester/North Wales services can obviously only use 13&14.
northwichcat
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Sometimes if a Northern diesel unit fails it gets left at platform for a considerable amount of time, with a 4 car set being split to cover for the failed unit.
Pre-COVID if there was engineering works on the between Bank Quay and Manchester on Sundays, they diverted via Altrincham, so people may well have seen services to North Wales in the terminus platforms at Piccadilly.
craigybagel
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Indeed, but there are no longer any TFW crews who sign that way so it is no longer an option.
AlastairFraser
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No, it heads up to the "lounge" (read glorified seating area) for Platform P13/P14, as well as going down to Fairfield St.
Yes, I’ve been on an Alderley Edge service from platform 12 which used the set during the day, normally it stays there until working 2K50 17:18 to Stoke as it did today but sometimes the presence of a ‘spare’ set there during the day means it can be used on other services.
Geochemwill
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I was onboard the 0721 to Buxton last Saturday which departed from platform 12
For as long as I remember using that lift (probablly a decade or so, but I don't remember when I first discovered it) it has been 3 level. 0 is fairfield street, 2 is platform 12 and 3 is the link bridge lounge.
(floor 1 at piccadilly is the "metrolink mezaninne" level which that lift doesn't stop at as it doesn't exist at that end of the station)
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I believe so, yes, although I don't have the info to hand of usable length to know whether any 4 car unit can go in, or if some (with longer bodies) would be too long.
I also recall hearing of longer trains being signalled in, putting the cab beyond the signal and leading to fun and games to move it out again
The Sectional Appendix (https://sacuksprodnrdigital0001.blob.core.windows.net/sectional-appendix/Sectional Appendix full PDFs December 23/London North Western (North) Sectional Appendix December 2023.pdf) says 97m or 107 yards.
A four-car 331/1 is 94.75m per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_331
NB https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/line-pairings-on-a-4-track-railway.241547/#post-6003988 shows the layout before platforms 13 & 14 were extended south, effectively chopping off the lines out of platforms 10, 11 & 12 and forcing them to connect through platform 9 as we see today.
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craigybagel
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I don't know which of 10,11 or 12 it was but I do know a Pendolino went in there fairly recently....
faltskog36abba
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I remember getting a train from- Grange over sands, About 22 years ago and we were diverted into platform 12. The train ran through 13 as normal but didn't stop, We waited at a signal and reversed into 12. We were delayed and got into platform 12 at around 21.40.