Exactly, and it's the same for passenger from South Wales
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frodshamfella
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I agree, it should go.beyond Chester. Ive only been on it as a 2 car recently. It needs to be hourly and go somewhere further, that was always the plan. Runcorn hasnt got the best of services for the size of the town. Avanti and LNWR are unbelievable, at least TFW tends to run. The Manchester service obviously is a longer journey and stops at more stations, and more frequent so it would be busier. Historically there were more trains to Liverpool , so it's about time it's back. .As.I said as a passenger I find it well supported, which is good to see.
FrodshamJnct
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Having been told by TFW that the hourly service would be starting on Monday 5th Feb, it now looks to have been pulled from the timetable (again).
Having asked TFW, their response:
Having asked TFW, their response:
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February 2025?!
childwallblues
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In RTT for 12/02/2024.
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Until next Friday, when they doubtless won't be anymore.
FrodshamJnct
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At this stage, that is what I expect to happen.
childwallblues
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I hope that you are wrong. I am hoping to get the 0858 from Parkway on the 13th.
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Realtime Trains | 1D02 0847 Liverpool Lime Street to Chester | 21/02/2024
Real-time train running information for 1D02 0847 departure from Liverpool Lime Street to Chester on 21/02/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Lets hope it does go ahead this time!
For what it's worth, reported as such on the Liverpool Echo website today.
Hopefully this will take a little bit of pressure off the Merseyrail service from Chester, which can be pretty rammed at the weekend.
Wouldn't be the first time they've been embarrassed!
TT-ONR-NRN
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I refer yous once again to my oft-mentioned example of the banner at Cardiff Queen Street, saying "80% of TfW journeys, and 100% of those from this station, will be made on brand new trains from 2022." It's still there.
FrodshamJnct
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Some proper traction 
on the 0743 from Chester today in the form of 150231.
As an aside there seems quite a lot of dwell time built in to this particular service. At Runcorn for 0805 and scheduled to depart at 0811.
on the 0743 from Chester today in the form of 150231.As an aside there seems quite a lot of dwell time built in to this particular service. At Runcorn for 0805 and scheduled to depart at 0811.
Jamesrob637
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Some proper traction
As an aside there seems quite a lot of dwell time built in to this particular service. At Runcorn for 0805 and scheduled to depart at 0811.
Welsh 150s are ok in fairness, especially for such a short journey, and A/C isn't needed in February.
FrodshamJnct
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Absolutely, wasn’t moaning at all!
Along with being booked onto the slows at South Parkway and following an EMR service. It's a really poor path.
FrodshamJnct
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Yeah it is, trundled along after South Parkway this morning but meant I got to have a look at the 2 x 69s that were on Edge Hill.
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I'm one of the few people on here who can actually say they've boarded a train at Edge Hill.
I wouldn't have been moaning either. The crowning glory of the 150s is their superb ride, especially on worn or old track. Modern units never come close to matching this.
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Could somebody do a "Wessex Electric" and use the smooth-running 150 chassis on a new coach body fit for 20-30 years longer?
But even in (noisier) steam days that stretch was notorious for its accident rate, often involving children.
And road vehicles, of course, have much shorter braking distances.
Modern units built to modern standards are heavy. So to keep the weight manageable they often have lightweight bogies which ride much less well.
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If the train has to trundle from Parkway to Lime Street might it not be worth including Mossley Hill as a station call - great location for students?
I think most of the student accommodation traditionally around there has moved to the city centre
emoaconr
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If acquiring new paths is a problem, would it be workable to terminate the 1tp2h Birmingham Intl - Holyhead service at Chester (as it did under Central), and then transfer the Chester - Holyhead leg (or even Llandudno, swapping with Manchester) to the Liverpool-Chester service? They do tend to arrive at roughly similar times, thus giving the NW coast a more direct service to Liverpool.
To be fair, adding a direct service to one city at the expense of another, is probably not achieving a great deal, even despite that it's far quicker for Chester passengers to change at Crewe for Brum.
To be fair, adding a direct service to one city at the expense of another, is probably not achieving a great deal, even despite that it's far quicker for Chester passengers to change at Crewe for Brum.
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I suspect that there is more demand from north Wales to Liverpool (and Liverpool to north Wales) than there is between north Wales and Birmingham especially as the train runs via Wrexham.
Correct, however the existence of Merseyrail does mean that there are plenty of connections at Chester to choose from, so it's not the end of the world. With that in mind the Birmingham (including Wrexham/Shrewsbury etc.) passengers shouldn't lose out for the sake of the Liverpools.
Still, the sooner this is resolved the better.