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East Anglia planned pylons

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I agree with you though it's definitely a minority viewpoint.

It may be more acceptable to many if National Grid were to deploy their new T-pylon series at new sites. Less expensive than underground cabling or sending via an offshore route. I think these really look quite elegant.

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If they were painted green those would be even better. I opposed these and signed the petition, as they pass near to where I live.
Current style pylons are an eyesore and generate that ugly buzzing noise that is quite dystopic. Not good at all for country walkers.
I think the aesthetics of pylons would be a welcome addition to what is one of the most bleak, depressing and desolate areas of the UK.

I have no fond memories, and certainly in winter, of East Anglia, only to be leaving the area.
I'm not sure where in East Anglia you lived, but most of it is a hell of a lot better than Birmingham or Glasgow.
 
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Could they not at least paint the pylons green to help them blend in a little?
If you were up in the air looking down then green would be a good colour, they’d blend in. However you tend to be on the ground looking up. Therefore grey to match a normal British sky is probably correct.

Note: The now decommissioned & demolished Ironbridge Power Station in Shropshire had pink cooling towers to help blend in with the landscape.
 

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If you were up in the air looking down then green would be a good colour, they’d blend in. However you tend to be on the ground looking up. Therefore grey to match a normal British sky is probably correct.

Note: The now decommissioned & demolished Ironbridge Power Station in Shropshire had pink cooling towers to help blend in with the landscape.
I know a group of industrial sized chimneys that started out plain silver/grey metal. Complaints from the neighbours. After some discussion between all parties, they were painted to blend in better. It didn't work. They went back to the original plain metal.
 

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If you were up in the air looking down then green would be a good colour, they’d blend in. However you tend to be on the ground looking up. Therefore grey to match a normal British sky is probably correct.

Note: The now decommissioned & demolished Ironbridge Power Station in Shropshire had pink cooling towers to help blend in with the landscape.
Grey also gives better visibility to pilots who might be making an emergency landing with an engine failure or who might be carrying out low level flights for a variety of reason ( air ambulances for a start ).
 

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Grey also gives better visibility to pilots who might be making an emergency landing with an engine failure or who might be carrying out low level flights for a variety of reason ( air ambulances for a start ).
As A side issue, when I worked at Rugeley Power Station, if there was a problem with the chimney navigation lights we had to phone the Duty Controller at Manchester Airport (this was then later changed to Birmingham Airport).
 

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Could they not at least paint the pylons green to help them blend in a little?

Although for some reason, as a kid, I always felt a certain amount of mystique looking up at pylons.

Maybe the intertwining patterns.

There actually was one set of pylons which were at one time painted green, a 132kv set which runs alongside the M6 for a while near Knutsford. It originates from the Carrington power station (closed now, I think) and I remember noting them in the late 70s when I still lived in the area, and very early 80s when I didn't.

They got repainted into the normal grey colour sometime in the early-to-mid 80s, I think, but I was always curious as to why this set in particular were painted green.
 
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According to the plans, a significant stretch of the route will be buried where it goes around the picturesque "constable country" area south of Ipswich.
Presumably the dotted section on map that was linked.

The new T pylons (they have recently been installed from Avonmouth through Somerset to Hinkley Point, are lot less obtrusive).

However the towers are only part of the view, some routes are getting bigger cables. I recently discovered the route from Bramley (south of Reading) to Melksham is getting bigger cables over next year or two
 

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I mean, should we just remove the country brick by brick and return it whence the fields it came? We're going to need a lot more pylons, railways, houses, roads, rubbish dumps, garden centres, substations and warehouses over the next few decades.
 

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Amazing the people on here who probably support HS2 but oppose the pylons 'where they live'.

Thanks to NIMBYism we can't seem to get anything done in this country, if something's of national importance it should be planned on a national level. Provided the benefits of the pylons outweigh the small and imagined damage to the person's property (when did pylons actually damage someone's house or lifestyle?), they should go ahead.
 

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Amazing the people on here who probably support HS2 but oppose the pylons 'where they live'.

Thanks to NIMBYism we can't seem to get anything done in this country, if something's of national importance it should be planned on a national level. Provided the benefits of the pylons outweigh the small and imagined damage to the person's property (when did pylons actually damage someone's house or lifestyle?), they should go ahead.
Curiously, though, these nationally important projects never seem to need to go through Kensington or Westminster - or Sandringham or Balmoral come to that.
 

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…Provided the benefits of the pylons outweigh the small and imagined damage to the person's property (when did pylons actually damage someone's house or lifestyle?), they should go ahead.
Have you ever heard the noise from the 400kv Supergrid wires during damp & foggy weather? If so you wouldn’t want them passing anywhere near your house.
 

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Have you ever heard the noise from the 400kv Supergrid wires during damp & foggy weather? If so you wouldn’t want them passing anywhere near your house.
Indeed but the proposed routing keeps clear of housing but then ends up in rural areas and people don't like the visual impact!
 

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For those who have not seen it, an explanation of how while the current flows within the wires, the energy transfer takes place outside of the wires.

 

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Curiously, though, these nationally important projects never seem to need to go through Kensington or Westminster - or Sandringham or Balmoral come to that.
Kensington has the Westway and Westminster has the super sewer going in now, so not the best examples :P
 

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Westminster has the super sewer going in now, so not the best examples :P
If you mean the Tideway, the only bit of it that runs through Westminster will be neatly buried under the Thames foreshore. If they did the same in East Anglia with the electricity cables no-one would be complaining.
 

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Have been given Heads Up that National Grid will be making big announcements on Tuesday, including how to connect the Scottish and East coast wind farms to where the electricity is needed.

Sorry I have no further details, but sounds like some new trunk routes are needed.
 

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Have been given Heads Up that National Grid will be making big announcements on Tuesday, including how to connect the Scottish and East coast wind farms to where the electricity is needed.

Sorry I have no further details, but sounds like some new trunk routes are needed.
They've already outlined what the new grid will look like if they are to connect all the planned windfarms. They also placed contracts last week for the first of the HVDC Eastern Green links from Peterhead to Drax so might be a press release to promote that.
 

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Indeed, it would, at a guess, be possible to design the line so it doesn't get too close to any significantly-sized villages, for example - given that East Anglia is by all accounts fairly sparsely populated.
Take a look at an OS map. East Anglia is actually quite densely villaged. You don't go very far before coming across a settlement.
 

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I grew up in a pylon heavy area (DNO transmission line just up the road from me, NG on the adjoining road) and I can't say it bothered me one bit.

The only way it would bother me is if the cables literally ran above my house - the DNO line does that with someone else's house, built long after the pylons went up, and the crackling is surely irritating. Not to mention the possibility of a line falling down (not that its ever happened). But that's a different set of concerns to "I can see it!!!!!". If I was like the farmer someone mentions, if they agreed a decent price to rent the land then I'd be helping them dig the foundations myself.
 

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Power lines almost run over my in-laws house in Beckton, another 10m or so and they'd be over the roof. Can hear a buzzing sound in the garden all the time!
 

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The BBC is now covering today‘s National Grid announcement (link below). Government straight on the defensive, but they can’t have a future based on offshore wind and solar etc without some sort of change to the distribution system. (Although there’s probably MPs who think it can all be done with batteries…)

The UK's electricity network needs almost a further £60bn of upgrades to hit government decarbonisation targets by 2035, according to a new plan.
Some 4,000 miles of undersea cables and 1,000 miles of power lines including pylons are needed, National Grid's Electricity Systems Operator said.
The investment would add between £20 to £30 a year to customer bills, it said.
The government said the ESO's plans were preliminary and yet to pass a "robust planning process".
The plans were written up by the ESO, the organisation which runs the electricity network and would run the updated system it is calling for too. It is currently owned by National Grid but will transfer into government ownership later this year.
Its latest £58bn estimate is for work needed between 2030 and 2035 and comes on top of a previous £54bn estimate for work taking place between now and 2030.
The additional infrastructure spend would help get the UK's offshore wind from where it is produced out at sea, to where it is used by households across the country.

 
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If they were painted green those would be even better. I opposed these and signed the petition, as they pass near to where I live.
Current style pylons are an eyesore and generate that ugly buzzing noise that is quite dystopic. Not good at all for country walkers.

I'm not sure where in East Anglia you lived, but most of it is a hell of a lot better than Birmingham or Glasgow.
I believe he was talking about the fens and South Lincolnshire. Not really indicative of the scenery of East Anglia as a whole.
 

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If they were painted green those would be even better. I opposed these and signed the petition, as they pass near to where I live.
Current style pylons are an eyesore and generate that ugly buzzing noise that is quite dystopic. Not good at all for country walkers.
You’ll get that buzzing sound whatever type of pylons are used, it‘s a discharge from the conductors into surrounding air that causes it.
 
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You’ll get that buzzing sound whatever type of pylons are used, it‘s a discharge from the conductors into surrounding air that causes it.
Won't the buzzing just be 50hz hum, the "crackling" will be discharge, the 33kV lines on wooden pylons that go through work can be quite loud when it's damp.
 

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