Mcr Warrior
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I never noticed that station sign when I travelled Manchester-Buxton some 35 years ago. Has it been added since then?"Chapel-en-le-Frith - Home of Ferodo".
Some say similar about train enthusiasts!I've never understood the lengths these people go to spray a carriage like that as its obvious it will be cleaned off asap
I know - but then the double entendre is lostSlightly pedantic but it’s famous for Bakewell Puddings.
I know - but then the double entendre is lost
I can confirm that Bakewell is very posh!I know - but then the double entendre is lost
There's no such thing as 'themed graffiti' just vandalism
Not sure about this, depends on the context.
Not too far from where I am there is a pedestrian underpass where people openly spray artistic graffiti, much of which is quite creative - in broad daylight, in full view of the public.
I doubt the council mind (no attempts are ever made to remove it) and it gives the underpass character.
But that accounts for a miniscule % compared to the mindless, moronic scrawl that covers public and private property, what if these 'artists' went out and got a job, saved up for a house, car etc and then found it covered in pointless scrawl by likeminded vandals?
Years ago, near Urmston in Manchester, there was a legal wall, where artists could paint their work legally. The prevalence of tagging and unlawful graffiti was quite marked in the neighbourhood and it increased in intensity as you approached the wall.You are assuming that the people who graffiti the underpass with creative artwork approve of graffiti on houses, cars, trains etc.
Can you give me the evidence that this is the case?
I remember this! Maybe there were garages in the area(s)From memory - "Ferodo" were brake blocks ! (often advertised on rail over road bridges) ......
Years ago, near Urmston in Manchester, there was a legal wall, where artists could paint their work legally. The prevalence of tagging and unlawful graffiti was quite marked in the neighbourhood and it increased in intensity as you approached the wall.
I have dealt with a number of them legally and I can confirm that the illegality of the process is a major attraction to many.
Some of them have saved up and bought those things, the graffiti is just a way of getting some excitement the way some people would go to a theme park/follow a Deltic around…But that accounts for a miniscule % compared to the mindless, moronic scrawl that covers public and private property, what if these 'artists' went out and got a job, saved up for a house, car etc and then found it covered in pointless scrawl by likeminded vandals?
Livery is quite bold, when it is being rolled out? Perhaps Greater Railways could be a better name than GBR?At least it’s railway themed. It appears to be a contemporary study, lamenting the current desolate state of the industry.
I rather like it!
I thought that was Bag End."Chapel-en-le-Frith - Home of Ferodo".
It is off the scale in Belgium. They seem to have given up. With the older trains like class 21/27 and M4 carriages, it is impossible which are parked in a scrap line and which are still in service. Talking of creative, I have seen a photo of unit 816 which the spray can numptys have painted a whole carriage back into the red livery. I am trying to decide if it is an April fool or not. It is very convincing.Graffiti was far, far worse as a general problem in English cities long before Banksy. If anything he has raided the artistic standard and it's less cool to just tag TOX or whatever.
The New York Subway almost eradicated graffiti in the 1980s.
I don't really know, but they did it. The trains are spotless now, even the 50 year old ones. I think they started a policy of not sending tagged trains out. In the early 1980s they were covered inside and out, see video below. By contrast, there was none in Belgium in the 1980s and 1990s. It has got bad in the past 20 years.How ?
How ?
Thanks for the detail. I wish the Belgians would do something similar. It's beyond a joke now. Some trains are even out in service with the windows completely painted over.They had funding first of all , - chose lines to work on and built a solid plan - made sure the sidings and depots were as secure and possible , then started the cleanup. Clean trains were not berthed next to dirty trains - any clean trains were kept clean by removal of tags at terminals , (staff there 24/7) or if worse , removal from service - repeat and repeat. 1988 was the last dirty train to the scrapyard and the fleet has been pretty clean since then. (though they do get the odd hit of course)
Did exactly the same on the North London line etc - zero tolerance after first cleaning the fleet and common sense in outberthing - especially at Xmas and New Year. The odd prosecution helped which we publicised.
As described above, “The Clean Car Program” of the mid-80s in New York was based upon Lines and depots.
Each depot was first barricaded with fences and patrolling dogs, then the trains in that depot remained in until every train was spotlessly cleaned.
Posters at stations announced the Program, explaining the reduction in service would be severe for many days
while each depot was dealt with.
Once that depot was ticked off, the trains were allowed to depart and the next depot was done.
Trains then tagged inside while in service were descended upon by a team of cleaners who scrubbed every inch of the interior and allowed the train to continue.
If they were unable to tackle any marks in the specified time, the train was immediately removed from service and returned to depot.
Trains due for withdrawal within the next six months were not cleaned so heavily, on a visit in 1985 Line M trains only had the glass areas cleaned, all interior and exterior finishes were not touched, except for the reapplication of safety and other notices.
The R10 trains were repainted traditional green with gold fleetnames, the A Division interworked fleet of R26 R28 R29 R33 R36 were painted red, after many trials of suitable finishes, then being dubbed The Redbirds.
Sadly in London the opposite occurred, where Staff notices and warnings were given if trains were removed from service “as we cannot allow these people to see that their work reduces the train service”.
I've never understood how someone can complete graffiti that takes a fairly ling time without getting caught.I've never understood the lengths these people go to spray a carriage like that as its obvious it will be cleaned off asap
Yes, and I imagine he/she is, sadly, an industry 'insider' given the moniker used and the apparent knowledge of access points, etc.10foot being one of the most prolific offenders in the south east. While its just ugly tagging its really impressive how far he's got and how many have been done
Yes, but approved and legal adverts are a world apart from illegal vandalism.What about advertisments on railway bridges? For example the WCML bridge over the North Circular Road at Stonebridge Park has the word FERODO painted in large letters. Walking back from The Ace, I wondered if JRR Tolkien used it as inspiration for the name of the lead character in Lord Of The Rings.