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[Trivia] Largest UK railway station to have a subway and/or footbridge but no lifts?

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I could find this question before but apologies if it's been answered.

What is the largest UK railway station to have a subway and/or footbridge connecting one or more platforms but no lifts?

Or to put it more simply, which is the largest station not to have level access to all platforms. I believe level access doesn't include ramps between platforms.
 
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London Paddington has accessible platforms but also has a footbridge with only a lift down to platform 1. Does that count?

For non-London termini, Guildford might be a contender with both a footbridge and a subway but no lifts?
 
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infobleep said:
I could find this question before but apologies if it's been answered.

What is the largest UK railway station to have a subway and/or footbridge connecting one or more platforms but no lifts?

Or to put it more simply, which is the largest station not to have level access to all platforms. I believe level access doesn't include ramps between platforms.
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I was about to say Bournemouth, but if I’ve understood the question correctly that doesn’t count as its subway has ramps providing level access.
 
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greaterwest said:
Guildford might be a contender with both a footbridge and a subway but no lifts?
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The National Rail website says this about Guildford:

There is level access to the booking hall and all platforms from the main entrance in Walnut Tree Close. There is no step free access from the Guildford Park Road entrance.

There is step free access to and interchange between all platforms via steep ramps. A staff operated powered wheelchair is available for customers. Please speak to a member of staff or our Assisted Travel team.
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Luton only has a lift to platform 5.

PTR 444 said:
I’ve understood the question correctly that doesn’t count as its subway has ramps providing level access.
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This is a bit of a moan of mine. I don't regard ramps as level access. I have a dodgy heart and walking up ramps is just as difficult for me as walking up stairs. Two stations with subway ramps that I struggle with are Ely and Barnham.
 
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I know there's one with no accessible access to one platform so you need to one stop in the other direction and change, but I can't remember which one exactly - somewhere in Southeastern land maybe.
 
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Lampshade said:
I know there's one with no accessible access to one platform so you need to one stop in the other direction and change, but I can't remember which one exactly - somewhere in Southeastern land maybe.
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I think thats Aylesham, most definitely in Southeastern Land
 
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infobleep said:
What is the largest UK railway station to have a subway and/or footbridge connecting one or more platforms but no lifts?

Or to put it more simply, which is the largest station not to have level access to all platforms.
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These are not the same thing.

For example Manchester oxford Road has lifts to take you from platforms 4/5 (where the entrance is) to platforms 2/3, but only has stairs to take you to platform 1.
 
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PTR 444 said:
I was about to say Bournemouth, but if I’ve understood the question correctly that doesn’t count as its subway has ramps providing level access.
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I'm not sure if level access is the right term. When looking up the Croydon redevelopment in 2011, one Web site referred to the station redevelopment as having level access but East Croydon had ramps anyway.

So maybe ramps count as level access.

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These are not the same thing.

For example Manchester oxford Road has lifts to take you from platforms 4/5 (where the entrance is) to platforms 2/3, but only has stairs to take you to platform 1.
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I hadn't thought of stations where only some platforms have lifts.
 
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I suspect the answer to the question of busiest station without step-free access on national rail is moorgate.
 
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PTR 444 said:
I was about to say Bournemouth, but if I’ve understood the question correctly that doesn’t count as its subway has ramps providing level access.
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Are you certain? Bournemouth certainly had lifts on P2 and P3 back in the 1970s when i worked there.
 
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Magdalia said:
The National Rail website says this about Guildford:

"There is level access to the booking hall and all platforms from the main entrance in Walnut Tree Close. There is no step free access from the Guildford Park Road entrance.

There is step free access to and interchange between all platforms via steep ramps."
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That NR statement is contradictory.

There is level access from the main entrance only to platforms 1 and 2.
To get from there to platforms 3 - 8 means using the very same ramps referred to as "steep" in the second paragraph.
 
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As discussed on other threads, Bletchley does not have lifts from the footbridge to platform 6, but does have them to all the other platforms.
 
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Rather depends on definition of largest station, eg Esher only uses 2 platforms, but has 2 more (disused) platforms with tracks and 3 closed race platforms.

Yeovil Junction is another big station without lifts, but again part of it is disused
 
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ANDREW_D_WEBB said:
The Elizabeth line has changed that, albeit only to those platforms
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I guess that comes down to how you define "station". The crossrail platforms are connected to moorgate station but are nominally part of Liverpool Street.
 
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Similar to Esher, was thinking Skipton but they since closed access to their disused platforms and not been there in 25 years!
 
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infobleep said:
So maybe ramps count as level access.
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Depends on how steep they are. To give two contrasting examples in the North East, the ramps at the fairly new Horden station are considered to provide level access, however the ramps at Northallerton were considered to be too steep and have now been replaced by lifts to each platform and new stairs where the old ramps were.
 
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Tulse Hill and Peckham Rye both have 4 platforms and no level access to any of them.
 
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Argyle Street station on the Glasgow Central low level line has escalators but no lifts. It must be one of the most recently built stations without level access.

It could be argued that Glasgow Central Low Level is a suitable alternative station, being nearby on the same street. However, Argyle Street is popular with shoppers, and so people with prams and strollers use the escalators rather than travel through to Glasgow Central. I have seen a staff member rush out of the ticket office to assist someone to hold their pram or stroller on the escalator.
 
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Settle has no step free access to the northbound platform. OK its not a large station but can be very busy at certain times.
Skipton and Hellifield both have ramps only. Hellifield ones are quite steep.
 
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plugwash said:
I guess that comes down to how you define "station". The crossrail platforms are connected to moorgate station but are nominally part of Liverpool Street.
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Though for LU operational purposes, they fall under Moorgate, just to confuse matters!
 
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Magdalia said:
Luton only has a lift to platform 5.
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And that is outside the station as part of the footbridge to get from one side of town to the other. There is level access from street level to platform 5 but no level access to the other four platforms. However, the refreshment/waiting rooms on the island platforms do have ramps!
 
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Lampshade said:
I know there's one with no accessible access to one platform so you need to one stop in the other direction and change, but I can't remember which one exactly - somewhere in Southeastern land maybe.
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I suspect there are loads of those.
 
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