Bletchleyite
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It is, yes, and I didn't post them because of copyright. What others do is to them.
I expect they'll appear online soon in any case.
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It is, yes, and I didn't post them because of copyright. What others do is to them.
I expect they'll appear online soon in any case.
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Blindtraveler
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To those who have seen them, does the imagery give any indication as to which one of the generally dismal selection of modern train seats we're going to be suffering in for the next 15 years?
Might have to get a subscription -- I looked yesterday and today in a couple of WHSmith stores and they only had last month's edition still.
Bornin1980s
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Does that also apply to the Modern Railways Android app? Because it's not there either.
fgwrich
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The inside colour scheme looks pretty decent to me, unfussy and minimalist - in stark contrast to the outside!
fgwrich
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My only problem with the interior is simply, there’s too much grey. Even if the carpet had another colour running through it, it wouldn’t be so dark. I'm also not so sure about the “cigarette stained panel” needing to go dark either. And I type that from inside a GW HST where the walls, seats, carpet and light frames are all great but offset with tones of green in the seats and carpets.
That livery however, is absolute gash.
Spire Sam
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I agree the interior could definitely use some more colour. In my opinion the exterior isn’t too bad apart from the bright turquoise doors as I think they clash too much with the pink.
Okay this is a bit better, the whole train being pink/red felt a lot, still not sold on the turquoise doors
Seats look promising to me, the current standard class is awful for me, so a more modern seat gives me some hope for a slightly more comfortable future!
Honestly though, just wish the UK wasn't allergic to investment because XC is such an obvious choice for bi/tri mode trains
Fixed that for you.
The interior concept pics look realle smart, hopefully the finished product matches is as good in reality. I'm pleased to see that it looks like they will have more power outlets. Fingers crossed each set of airline seats wil have more than one socket. I wonder if there will be a slight uplift in capacity going off the look of the new seats and tables.
Word elsewhere on the forum is that Hitachi are only offering new sets (and not additional intermediate cars) from Italy and Japan. Both of those plants are busy so new sets would have long lead times and high prices.
If Hitachi would supply new sets from Newton Aycliffe at a reasonable price the government might be more enthusiastic.
I reckon they'll want to see how the CAF LNER units perform before consider ordering a load of them.
Looks good, bit boring but still nice. The narrower headrest makes the voyager look a little more spacious.
The paint has grown on me slightly, though it's still got too much going on.
YorksLad12
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Order 11-car sets... take two out to strengthen other sets.
(Yes, I know that can't be done (I assume) with the 80x sets. I josh.)
Brissle Girl
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Possibly. In respect of the internal image that I said was in Modern Railways, my view was that I would not reproduce it here as a) there may be copyright issues and b) notwithstanding any legal issues, I feel that the publisher should be rewarded for views of its magazine content by purchasing or subscribing, rather than have the content (particularly images) reproduced on social media/forums etc for all to see. Maybe an old fashioned view, but there you go. (Subscriber for 41 years.)
I cant see why it couldn't be done, though it doesn't get around new sets being very expensive, and having a long lead time.Order 11-car sets... take two out to strengthen other sets.
(Yes, I know that can't be done (I assume) with the 80x sets. I josh.)
Bletchleyite
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Seats are FISA LEAN as used on 196 and all UK FLIRTs. Typically hard and poor legroom as the back is very thick. And a massive downgrade for 1st.
Chiltern006
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Shame they didn’t do what Avanti did, and kept the original first class seats and completely re-do them, then get new seats for standard
Bletchleyite
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To be fair Avanti also made the 1st seats worse. The hard headrest sticks into the back of my shoulders.
Standard better, 1st worse = less money from me
It does kinda suck for those of us not in England that they've picked the names "English rose" and "Cornish clotted cream" for those shades... Where are the Scottish and Welsh names?
EDIT: So we have them but they're patronising - "Royal Mile teal" and "Cardiff Bay yellow"? (I can't quite make them out from the compression on the image and the contrast between the text and background). At least the English shades are recognisable names to an extent.
sprinterguy
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So you objected to representative names not being there, and then object when they are?
Sounds like you'll never be pleased. I shouldn't imagine the Cornish would find it less patronising to have their whole heritage defined by "clotted cream".
"English rose" and "Cornish clotted cream" are concepts that people have heard of, is what I mean. I have never heard of "Royal Mile teal" in my life.
sprinterguy
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For a colour palette that none but a minority will ever hear of, that doesn't seem like an issue.
irish_rail
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I have to hope you are wrong, as the majority of seating in current voyager (priority seating aside) is completely unsuitable for anyone over 6ft. To reduce it further would make the train frankly un usable for anyone over 6ft. The priority seats would need rebranding "for taller customers only"!
Just looking again, does anybody know if the darker blue gray around the doors continues down to the next carriage or is that garish pink too?
We shouldn’t have been surprised by the turquoise, it’s been a big part of their printed timetables since they started printing them again after lockdown ended.
Here’s a link to the current example
https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/media-vnext/3nnfuejx/book1-v4-web-version.pdf
I’d like it without all that ridiculous pink please.
We generally seem to have surrendered good design in the transport world these days. It seems we’ve just handed the crayons to the kids and sacked the professionals.
This, along with WMT orange and purple, stagecoach’s abomination of a livery on all their buses is not nice!
EDIT. Oops, just noticed the images above and it’s not as bad as I thought it was going to be. That horrid pink doesn’t run the full length of the train so I’m happy with that, and the interior looks quite nice, notwithstanding replacing perfectly comfortable seats with inferior ones.
We shouldn’t have been surprised by the turquoise, it’s been a big part of their printed timetables since they started printing them again after lockdown ended.
Here’s a link to the current example
https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/media-vnext/3nnfuejx/book1-v4-web-version.pdf
I’d like it without all that ridiculous pink please.
We generally seem to have surrendered good design in the transport world these days. It seems we’ve just handed the crayons to the kids and sacked the professionals.
This, along with WMT orange and purple, stagecoach’s abomination of a livery on all their buses is not nice!
What also can’t be helpful is when there are several vertical colours along a carriage such that the doors are never the same colour. They may well contrast with the panelling alongside them, but not having them all the same colour probably goes against the guidelines somewhere.
EDIT. Oops, just noticed the images above and it’s not as bad as I thought it was going to be. That horrid pink doesn’t run the full length of the train so I’m happy with that, and the interior looks quite nice, notwithstanding replacing perfectly comfortable seats with inferior ones.
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The interior livery & design looks better than the exterior livery.
Ridercross
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Hopefully this will be tweaked before roll out to help First passengers find their carriage and to prevent Standard passengers trying to board the wrong carriage. After all let's try to make things easy for passengers....
Those who can't
Not a massive fan of the livery, but not in agreement with some on here, who seem to want to go back to the days of the Big Four!
There was nothing to stop the German government investing, but they chose not to either.
Not a massive fan of the livery, but not in agreement with some on here, who seem to want to go back to the days of the Big Four!