150002/150209

[obrut165]

150002&150209 due to arrive at Fgw st Phillips marsh as 5z69 @ 13:40 tommorow departing Eastleigh 11:22

 

[WillPS]

Have FGW secured the prototypes then, as well as the orphaned centre cars?

 

[fgwrich]

Have FGW secured the prototypes then, as well as the orphaned centre cars?

Yes - It was mentioned as part of the extra coaches for FGW announcement last week, with 150001 & 150002 Going to FGW to take over our branch services (Reading to Basingstoke), and 150209 will be split again, firstly into creating two more faux 153/9s - 153397 & 153398 until the ex LM 150 refresh is complete, before undergoing a refresh themselves and eventual insertion into 150121 & 127 - These will be SPM based for the Bristol area services...

 

[MCR247]

Yes, 150001 & 002 will be used on Basingstoke - Reading and 209 will be inserted into 2 150s

 

[158722]

Yes, 150001 & 002 will be used on Basingstoke - Reading and 209 will be inserted into 2 150s

Despite the above being quoted from DfT and FGW press releases, surely the pool of 4 3-car 150s (001,002,121,127) will be used turn and turn about on Reading-Basingstoke and Bristol locals?

 

[WillPS]

Lucky old FGW! Is the FGW refurb a comprehensive one (as with their legacy 150s) or a light refresh (as I might expect of a franchise with months rather than years left)?

 

[Roylang]

Despite the above being quoted from DfT and FGW press releases, surely the pool of 4 3-car 150s (001,002,121,127) will be used turn and turn about on Reading-Basingstoke and Bristol locals?

Depends where they are based. If the 150/0 are at Reading (most probable I gather) and the 150/1 are west country based, they are unlikely to get swapped over. The regular 150/1 diagrams are not going to see units work to Reading or Basingstoke either.

Roy

 

[Lrd]

150002&150209 due to arrive at Fgw st Phillips marsh as 5z69 @ 13:40 tommorow departing Eastleigh 11:22

Thanks for this!

 

[RPI]

001/002 will be on the Reading-Basingstoke's, 57209+57212 will be put into 150121/127 to make 20 more 150/0's for the Bristol area.

 

[swt_passenger]

As mentioned when the Basingstoke - Reading proposal first came up, there is no reason why the two units should not be allocated to Bristol for maintenance, but stabled at Reading during the week. If one was to fail while at Reading they'd replace it with a 165 or 166 temporarily.

This is basically how SWT provide for the Lymington 158, it stables overnight at Bournemouth and runs to/from Salisbury at the ends of the week.

 

[Roylang]

As mentioned when the Basingstoke - Reading proposal first came up, there is no reason why the two units should not be allocated to Bristol for maintenance, but stabled at Reading during the week. If one was to fail while at Reading they'd replace it with a 165 or 166 temporarily.

This is basically how SWT provide for the Lymington 158, it stables overnight at Bournemouth and runs to/from Salisbury at the ends of the week.

But why do that? They are non-standard with the rest of the fleet and Reading is a maintenance depot. Much easier to just train the Reading fitters to look after them there.

Roy

 

[158722]

But why do that? They are non-standard with the rest of the fleet and Reading is a maintenance depot. Much easier to just train the Reading fitters to look after them there.

Roy

They are not that non-standard, why did LM treat them as just another 150 if that was the case? They have their differences, agree, but not substantial enough for them to be treated so differently. As for Reading, 2 units for 2 diagrams, monday to friday? Tall order to keep the pair doing that week in, week out. A pool of 4 3-car units to cover 2 Reading turns plus a Bristol one seems more likely. You simply don't diagram 100% of your fleet - see how Hull Trains suffered when they didn't have a reserve?

 

[Roylang]

They are not that non-standard, why did LM treat them as just another 150 if that was the case? They have their differences, agree, but not substantial enough for them to be treated so differently. As for Reading, 2 units for 2 diagrams, monday to friday? Tall order to keep the pair doing that week in, week out. A pool of 4 3-car units to cover 2 Reading turns plus a Bristol one seems more likely. You simply don't diagram 100% of your fleet - see how Hull Trains suffered when they didn't have a reserve?

I can see where you are coming from but you fail to take account of the fact that Reading is full of 165/166s that can provide cover. I see no problem with the 150/0 normally covering the Monday to Friday diagrams, if one fails a spare 3 car in Bristol won't be much use.

Roy

 

[TEW]

Think the plan is for the two prototype 150/0s to work the two diagrams from Reading Monday-Friday with them working in the Bristol area on weekends, which would also allow for maintenance there. There would then be two hybrid 150/0 diagrams around Bristol. It requires 100% availability but there are units which can replace them in the case of failure, they just aren't other three cars. When FGW only had one three-car 158 for a while it was diagrammed for 100% availability and replaced with a two-car when needed.