Fares frozen i believeDoes anyone know the prices of inboundary One Day Travelcards after the March fare increase? I can't find anything on the TfL or oysterfares.com site (or in these forums).
EDIT My initial search led me to information on the March 2023 fare rise on the TfL Web site, I agree. A bit more hunting led me to the correct information elsewhere.The prices of both the Zones 1-6 off-peak Day Travelcard, and the Zones 1-4 Anytime Day Travelcard, will increase by 70p to £15.90. The Zones 1-6 All Day Travelcard ticket price will increase by £1.10 to £22.60. These fares are set in agreement with TOCs and are increasing overall by 4.9 per cent, reflecting the national government's rail fare policy.
Only on TfL controlled fares. Travelcards are joint between TfL and DfT as they are valid on TfL and National Rail, therefore the Mayor can only freeze the TfL element. Also as part of the settlement agreed with TfL and the Mayor last year (where they threatened to withdraw TfL) out-boundary day travelcards will be going up significantly.Fares frozen i believe
Outboundary presumably +8% or so. +4.9%+3% is either +7.9% or +8.05% depending on how the extra 3% is applied.Only on TfL controlled fares. Travelcards are joint between TfL and DfT as they are valid on TfL and National Rail, therefore the Mayor can only freeze the TfL element. Also as part of the settlement agreed with TfL and the Mayor last year (where they threatened to withdraw TfL) out-boundary day travelcards will be going up significantly.
I was under the impression that the 3% would be applied to the TfL element as well and that as it was on top of the regular fare increase, they can still apply the 3% to the base Travelcard despite the TfL fares freeze?Only on TfL controlled fares. Travelcards are joint between TfL and DfT as they are valid on TfL and National Rail, therefore the Mayor can only freeze the TfL element. Also as part of the settlement agreed with TfL and the Mayor last year (where they threatened to withdraw TfL) out-boundary day travelcards will be going up significantly.
All thats known is that it will be 3% on average, so some routes will go up more than others, but yes it would be on the price of the travelcard, similar to the in-boundary going up by 4.9% as that is what DfT wants, the freeze by TfL didn't make much difference.I was under the impression that the 3% would be applied to the TfL element as well and that as it was on top of the regular fare increase, they can still apply the 3% to the base Travelcard despite the TfL fares freeze?
From the above linked docuementWhat about Child and Railcard discounted Day Travelcards? And what about Zones 1-9 Travelcards?
Child and Railcard discounts are still 50% and 34%, I think. Adult Z1-9 one day issues have risen from £27.20 to £28.50 (anytime) £16.20 to £17.00 (off-peak).What about Child and Railcard discounted Day Travelcards? And what about Zones 1-9 Travelcards?
If it's the same as the past few years, they shouldn't be displayed prior to them coming into effect.How far in advance are revised NR fares (outside London) generally released? In the not-so-distant past it was 4 weeks if memory serves; if that's still the case then the various outboundary fares for this year should be made public next week.
Given the nature of TfL's complaint and the fuss they made about it, it does seem a little odd that the pricing of outboundary travelcards appears to have just risen uniformly around the network, rather than all being reset to a consistent formula.On my patch (Thameslink stations on the MML, i.e. Radlett to Bedford inclusive) the outboundary fares have all risen by the suggested 7.9%, give or take.
The one-off additional 3% increase was the only condition for retaining Day Travelcards, so I'd assume that's all most TOCs have done.Given the nature of TfL's complaint and the fuss they made about it, it does seem a little odd that the pricing of outboundary travelcards appears to have just risen uniformly around the network, rather than all being reset to a consistent formula.
They are not.at Dartford the HS1/not-HS1 routes are still used so I don't know if Travelcards from there are valid across Z7-9 or not.
Interesting anomaly here. One day Travelcards from here (Basingstoke) have increased as follows:
Via Woking (priced by SWR) increase by 4.9%
Any Permitted (priced by GWR) increase by 7.9%
I used to always plump for the Any Permitted, to give me flexibility on my return journey as, with a Railcard discount the price difference was only 10p!
Now that difference is 80p.
Interesting in that SWR have not apparently pushed the outboundary Travelcard prices up beyond the national average increase, in spite of TfL negotiating for a greater increase. That's remembering that the add-on to the London terminals day return price was always (and remains so) very good value on that line.
at Dartford the HS1/not-HS1 routes are still used so I don't know if Travelcards from there are valid across Z7-9 or not.
However, the prices are identical to the zone 1-9 travelcards, so I think it's quite misleading to say the least. A travelcard bought from Swanley is valid at Dartford, whereas one bought from Dartford is not valid at Swanley*. There are some people who live in villages like Wilmington who might use the bus to get to the station and would like the flexibility of returning to the other station.They are not.
Certainly less than the 4.9% + 3% that was promised! Some TOCs seem to be eating up some of the Travelcard margin.Looks like the travelcard fare from my local station, Winsford, has gone up by 5.85%
Previously £53.00. Now £56.10.
Not as bad as I thought it would be, thought it would go up to like £60 or something!
Certainly less than the 4.9% + 3% that was promised! Some TOCs seem to be eating up some of the Travelcard margin.
I got lucky as my Travelcards were already incredible cheap, so the 7.9% increase means my railcard-discounted Travelcard goes up from £10.80 to an eye-watering(ly still cheap) £11.65.
Still just £1.90 more than a super off-peak day return for me, so a no-brainer!
Mine was TL Super Off-peak from Wivelsfield/Burgess Hill/Hassocks.This Thameslink Super Off Peak from Gatwick?
Same Price for me.
Couldn't you use the Norwich - Stansted service to Stansted to change onto a Stansted Express service. Slower than going direct but will hopefully* avoid the high density 3+2 seats (*at least with GA on RTT you can see if the Stansted - London train which the Norwich - Stansted train connects into is a 745 or 720)7.9% increase on a super-off-peak (weekend) GN Ely Travelcard, exactly as 'expected'. 8.0% increase on Cambridge.
The GA-only super-off-peak (weekend) Travelcard from Cambridge, however, doesn't appear to have increased at all! I suspect I'll be putting up with the 720s rather more often going forward, as the difference in price is getting significant...
Couldn't you use the Norwich - Stansted service to Stansted to change onto a Stansted Express service. Slower than going direct but will hopefully* avoid the high density 3+2 seats (*at least with GA on RTT you can see if the Stansted - London train which the Norwich - Stansted train connects into is a 745 or 720)
Something like that - IMHO - It seems steep - almost 10% increase, but its 80p extra per journey... That to me is still ridiculously cheap!Mine was TL Super Off-peak from Wivelsfield/Burgess Hill/Hassocks.
I think the Gatwick one went up from £10 to £10.80 with a railcard in this price increase?
Exactly! I hear 8%, but forget how cheap GTR have set the travelcards anyway!Something like that - IMHO - It seems steep - almost 10% increase, but its 80p extra per journey... That to me is still ridiculously cheap!
It's 8% against an expected rise for Travelcards of 7.9%, so just rounding up by 1p.It seems steep - almost 10% increase