29 new trains for Transpennine Express ?

[Bletchleyite]

I have, several times. I’ll take a 397 over an 802 any day.

I'd probably see them equal, both have their flaws and benefits, neither is perfect.

 

[dorsetdesiro]

The 185s, if not all, may get cascaded to other TOCs to replace their ageing Sprinters like the Liverpool-Norwich route with EMR

 

[YorkRailFan]

The 185s, if not all, may get cascaded to other TOCs to replace their ageing Sprinters like the Liverpool-Norwich route with EMR

Not anytime soon, TPE needs them on top of the 29 trains as part of this order and their 802s and 397s.

 

[Trainbike46]

The 185s, if not all, may get cascaded to other TOCs to replace their ageing Sprinters like the Liverpool-Norwich route with EMR

While this is true in principle, 185s won't get cascaded to Liverpool-Norwich and other routes that require sprinter differentials

 

[61653 HTAFC]

185s are also very expensive to operate compared to 15x, due to their weight and power. Ever since the last franchise began there was much speculation on here about where would be a suitable home for the 185s released from TPE, the consensus seemed to be that anything would be a compromise to some extent.

 

[The exile]

As you state, not without a suitable locomotive! Realistically, it would require procuring new, 125mph electric (passenger) locos - not really a realistic proposition, and even if it was selected it would still involve getting new stock, the locomotive!

You’re only going to need 125-capability if you’re looking at using them on the ECML north of York. Neither Cleethorpes nor Scarborough wouldn’t need it and given the fact that at one point 68s were going to work Middlesborough line services, there is clearly space for 100mph on the ECML as well. 93s?

 

[Snow1964]

Just for reference (because I hadn't realised the first 8 trains of French Oxygène trains were being built by CAF at Beasain) the 190m long regional intercity trains are described in this article.

The DfT letter earlier in the year said length upto 195m for the Transpennine order (might be coincidence).

Question is could version of this be built with UK gauge bodyshell ?

The trains will operate as a common fleet, with 12 sets required for the Paris – Clermont-Ferrand route and 16 for Paris – Limoges – Toulouse services.

Each articulated trainset will be 188 m long with three first class coaches with 2+1 seating, a low-floor accessible coach, a coach for bikes and services, and five second class coaches with 2+2 seating. The total capacity will be 420 passengers, equivalent to seven Corail coaches. Each aluminium-bodied car will have one door per side. All seats will have USB and power sockets, and there will be air-conditioning, wi-fi and CCTV throughout.

They will be equipped with ETCS and the national KVB train control system, and for operation under 1·5 kV DC and 25 kV 50 Hz electrification. The trainsets will have distributed traction, with both end cars and the two centre cars each having two axles driven by asynchronous traction motors, giving a continuous power rating of 4 MW. There is natural ventilation of the electrical equipment.

SNCF has options to order 75 more trainsets, including 20 for the Bordeaux – Marseille route. A firm order is expected to be placed next year, possibly for longer trainsets as the Bordeaux – Marseille services currently operate with nine Corail coaches.

Oxygène next-generation French inter-city train unveiled

FRANCE: National passenger operator SNCF Voyageurs and manufacturer CAF have unveiled the first of the Z26700 Oxygène inter-city trainsets which will replace Corail locomotive-hauled coaches on 200 km/h inter-city serves on conventional lines. The Oxygène trainsets are designed to be 'the...

www.railwaygazette.com

 

[Doctor Fegg]

Just for reference (because I hadn't realised the first 8 trains of French Oxygène trains were being built by CAF at Beasain) the 190m long regional intercity trains are described in this article.

Absolute missed opportunity if the jingle isn’t C-G-Eb-G-C.