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JonathanH said:
Given how they are currently painted in the livery of Colas Rail, it would be somewhat odd if they don't get a repaint.
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Yes, it would be odd for GB to operate loco's in the Colas colours wouldn't it........

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The_Train said:
Yes, it would be odd for GB to operate loco's in the Colas colours wouldn't it........

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60056 & 60085 & 60026

Locomotives: 60056 & 60085 & 60026 Working: 6E17 Liverpool Biomass Terminal - Drax Aes Location: Audenshaw Reservoirs Date: 5th February 2022 In typical Manchester weather and the light fading fast GBRf Class 60 Trio 60056, 60085 'Adept' & 60026 'HELVELLYN' are seen here climbing the bank next...
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Yeah lol...

Just have to wait and see. Be good if they do have a new livery.
 
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I'm confused by the use of 66s and 67s at all. Are the 73/9s basically now relegated to being glorified ETHELs?
 
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The_Train said:
Yes, it would be odd for GB to operate loco's in the Colas colours wouldn't it........
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Yes, good point, but it would look more odd on a passenger train, albeit one that operates quite a lot in the dark. I'd guess it depends on how quick they want them in service.

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I'm confused by the use of 66s and 67s at all. Are the 73/9s basically now relegated to being glorified ETHELs?
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It would seem they might be relegated to lesser workings. A 67, whilst it can work with a 73 as someone else pointed out, can handle any of the Highland portions on its own.

Truth is that the details are speculation at this stage because GBRf have not announced anything yet.

67023 went to Craigentinny on Tuesday, presumably for depot / traincrew familiarisation, while 67027 is reported at Toton. Presumably 67027 will be prepared for service, then 67023 will go to have whatever is being done with 67027.
 
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Jacob Porrett said:
Wonder what will happen with 027 now then after the gbrf rumours?
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It is a GBRf engine - no rumour - they contract out engineering work to DB Cargo at Toton.

It would appear that 67023 is at Craigentinny for staff familiarisation and 67027 is at Toton for work. Once 67027 has been worked on, they would be likely to swap places with 67023 then later joining 67027 in Scotland.
 
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JonathanH said:
It is a GBRf engine - no rumour - they contract out engineering work to DB Cargo at Toton.

It would appear that 67023 is at Craigentinny for staff familiarisation and 67027 is at Toton for work. Once 67027 has been worked on, they would be likely to swap places with 67023 then later joining 67027 in Scotland.
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Ah right ok. Thank you for the information.
 
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67023 making its first trip on the Inverness sleeper this morning since acquisition by GBRf.
 
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JonathanH said:
67023 making its first trip on the Inverness sleeper this morning since acquisition by GBRf.
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Have they been fitted with equipment to interface with the stock (Dellner couplers and whatever wiring / management system is required)? Or is there a 73 between the 67 and the stock?
 
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Have they been fitted with equipment to interface with the stock (Dellner couplers and whatever wiring / management system is required)? Or is there a 73 between the 67 and the stock?
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Working with a 73 still.
 
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Nym said:
Given the different ETH voltages it's somewhat significant compared to a tweak and a coupler.
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Think the voltage is the same, isn't it? My understanding is that the stock is dual-voltage and takes a 1500v supply from the 92s, and the usual voltage (generally 800-1000v) from the 73s.
 
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JonathanH said:
67023 making its first trip on the Inverness sleeper this morning since acquisition by GBRf.
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Nym said:
Given the different ETH voltages it's somewhat significant compared to a tweak and a coupler.
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Think the voltage is the same, isn't it? My understanding is that the stock is dual-voltage and takes a 1500v supply from the 92s, and the usual voltage (generally 800-1000v) from the 73s.
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I'm not sure how much difference there is between the voltages supplied by the 67 vs 73, but it can provide enough for 8 Mk5s and I believe they will receive the ETS modifications at the same time they receive their drophead dellner couplings - indeed this mornings run was operated as a half and half situation, with the 67 providing both ETS (through the 73) and providing the traction with the 73 running but acting "dead in train" until Dunkeld, where the 73 provided the ETS from there to Inverness. Ownership wise, these two are Beacon Rail owned by leased to GBRf (as it was with Colas).
 
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ExRes said:
It was stated on WNXX that it was on exam with Colas due to lack of capacity elsewhere
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I’m led to believe it’s also on its eventual way down south for a new coat of paint. Won’t take much for GBRf to tag it onto one of their Westbury - Eastleigh trip workings after all.
 
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67023 has now appeared at Eastleigh, having been trip worked down from Scotland last week with 66759 + 66715. Likely to be trip worked into Arlingtons over the next few days.
 
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Jacob Porrett said:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:75353/2022-09-05/detailed 67027 is on the way to Eastleigh from Stoke. Any idea why it's going to Eastleigh? 56096 is also in the consist.
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Appears to be going for a repaint according to earlier post, not sure what the 56s is going for.
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I’m led to believe it’s also on its eventual way down south for a new coat of paint. Won’t take much for GBRf to tag it onto one of their Westbury - Eastleigh trip workings after all.
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Has there been any confirmation what GBRF had got planned for these two, im aware that they are suspected to be going on the sleeper but if so what one? Also as the couplings aren't compatible it would still need a 73 anyhow, or have they got more of a charter based plan for them
 
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31160 said:
Has there been any confirmation what GBRF had got planned for these two, im aware that they are suspected to be going on the sleeper but if so what one? Also as the couplings aren't compatible it would still need a 73 anyhow, or have they got more of a charter based plan for them
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A quick (and unscientific) survey on RTT suggests that the Inverness and Fort William portions both had a Class 66 on them - so maybe they are going to be used instead of the 66s - with the 73s acting primarily as generator vehicles (maybe power if multiple working is possible) and barriers for the couplings.
 
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As of this evening, both of the ex Colas 67s are now located in Arlington Fleet Services (Eastleigh Works). 027 arrived solo yesterday after dropping the 56 off at Westbury, 023 arrived this evening bought in by 69003.
 
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Jonny said:
A quick (and unscientific) survey on RTT suggests that the Inverness and Fort William portions both had a Class 66 on them - so maybe they are going to be used instead of the 66s - with the 73s acting primarily as generator vehicles (maybe power if multiple working is possible) and barriers for the couplings.
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The 73/9s have AAR multiple working fitted so they can run together with 59s, 66s, 67s, and 69s.*
The advantage for the 67s is that unlike the 66s they can provide HEP, so it would be possible for the 67s to run on their own if the couplers and other relevant interfaces were modified. We're probably just going to have to wait and see though.

* = technically the Chiltern 68s too, for completeness
 
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