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A completely different idea, what if the Elizabeth Line takes over the Central Line between North Acton and West Ruislip? Chiltern services could all stop at one of the Ruislip stations to offer interchange.

The Central Line could have a curve after East Acton to a new OOC terminus alongside North Pole, and the loss of Ruislip depot shouldn't pose too many issues as a lot less trains would be required on the line.
 
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A completely different idea, what if the Elizabeth Line takes over the Central Line between North Acton and West Ruislip? Chiltern services could all stop at one of the Ruislip stations to offer interchange.

The Central Line could have a curve after East Acton to a new OOC terminus alongside North Pole, and the loss of Ruislip depot shouldn't pose too many issues as a lot less trains would be required on the line.
1.) Where else do you run these surplus Central Line trains? Ealing Broadway? Would be a massive increase in capacity there that would largely remain empty. You can't cut service in the core as the Central Line is still busy there. No room for a tube station by North Pole (the depot is rammed with GWR units) and Old Oak Common station will primarily be the other side of the tracks.
2) You slow down Chiltern even more and don't really provide any meaningful capacity upgrades once the withdrawn 12tph Central Line services from Northolt or W. Ruislip are taken away.

I think it's a decent idea for a cheap option if you absolutely had to do something with the Paddington terminators on Crossrail, but it wouldn't pass a cost benefit analysis and justify the investment.
It's only worth extending the Elizabeth Line up towards Ruislip if it heads as far as Gerrards Cross at least.

Additional options include a EL extension via new grade separated junctions around Scrubs Lane and Northwick Park to Aylesbury Vale Parkway, to replace and improve frequency of services, compared to the Chiltern services currently heading into Marylebone. This option can only be implemented post-HS2 Phase 1 completion though, as it needs paths on the WCML to be made available.
 
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Additional options include a EL extension via new grade separated junctions around Scrubs Lane and Northwick Park to Aylesbury Vale Parkway, to replace and improve frequency of services, compared to the Chiltern services currently heading into Marylebone. This option can only be implemented post-HS2 Phase 1 completion though, as it needs paths on the WCML to be made available.
Haven't heard this one in a while.

Remember the potential Central line to Uxbridge via the depot plan? I would if that could could be useful for Elizabeth line in theory. But more likely, a place to send a few excess Central line services to.
 

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1.) Where else do you run these surplus Central Line trains? Ealing Broadway?
Replace the 72TS <D

Back in reality, I'm not sure if extending Elizabeth Line to Ruislip is more or less likely than extending to Dartford.
 

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Replace the 72TS <D

Back in reality, I'm not sure if extending Elizabeth Line to Ruislip is more or less likely than extending to Dartford.
Extending to Ebbsfleet would make most sense, especially if an international service started stopping there again (potentially Evolyn/Virgin), but it would be difficult with the 3rd rail. The chief incentive for extensions to the west is to use some of the space capacity currently turning back at Paddington, and HW/Aylesbury would be both be useful to relieve busy Chiltern commuter services (and potentially release capacity for something else/provide more capacity to Wembley with the Aylesbury branch).
Haven't heard this one in a while.

Remember the potential Central line to Uxbridge via the depot plan? I would if that could could be useful for Elizabeth line in theory. But more likely, a place to send a few excess Central line services to.
I agree it would be more useful for the Central. Maybe the 3tph terminating at Northolt could be extended that way.
 

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Extending to Ebbsfleet would make most sense, especially if an international service started stopping there again (potentially Evolyn/Virgin), but it would be difficult with the 3rd rail. The chief incentive for extensions to the west is to use some of the space capacity currently turning back at Paddington, and HW/Aylesbury would be both be useful to relieve busy Chiltern commuter services (and potentially release capacity for something else/provide more capacity to Wembley with the Aylesbury branch).

I agree it would be more useful for the Central. Maybe the 3tph terminating at Northolt could be extended that way.
Also in the mix with District to Rayners/Uxbridge ideas (high level/S stock) and potentially Picc to Ealing swaps...
 

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Also in the mix with District to Rayners/Uxbridge ideas (high level/S stock) and potentially Picc to Ealing swaps...
I think that would be a mistake, Picc to Uxbridge gives links that that area of London wouldn't have otherwise, while they already have good links to the subsurface lines using the Met. Ealing has decent links to most of the places served by the Piccadilly since the Elizabeth Line opened.
 

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Couldn't another idea be to electrify the branch between west Ealing and Greenford to create a big loop so Elizabeth line trains that terminate at Paddington could be extended and head from old oak common interchange via the Acton to Northalt line curve around just east/south of Greenford then head and continue via south Greenford, drayton park to either an extended bay platform at West Ealing to terminate or continue via the main line back towards Ealing Broadway and onwards back to through the Central core again.
 

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Couldn't another idea be to electrify the branch between west Ealing and Greenford to create a big loop so Elizabeth line trains that terminate at Paddington could be extended and head from old oak common interchange via the Acton to Northalt line curve around just east/south of Greenford then head and continue via south Greenford, drayton park to either an extended bay platform at West Ealing to terminate or continue via the main line back towards Ealing Broadway and onwards back to through the Central core again.
Passenger traffic levels on the Greenford branch aren't really high enough to justify that sadly.
 
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Couldn't another idea be to electrify the branch between west Ealing and Greenford to create a big loop so Elizabeth line trains that terminate at Paddington could be extended and head from old oak common interchange via the Acton to Northalt line curve around just east/south of Greenford then head and continue via south Greenford, drayton park to either an extended bay platform at West Ealing to terminate or continue via the main line back towards Ealing Broadway and onwards back to through the Central core again.
Awful lot of conflicting moves at West Ealing to fit in (or not)
 

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According to Wikipedia yes, but I've never heard it referred to as that by anyone. Perhaps it was known as that in steam days.
From Trackmaps, the Engineer's Line Reference is "ANL" (presumably from Acton-Northolt).
The signalling reference is "Up/Down Wycombe" or "Wycombe Single" up to the route boundary (W/LNW) near Northolt LU station, then "Up/Down Greenford" to Northolt Jn.
 

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