Gareth4949
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I think it's one of the semi fasts Brighton which will stop at Horley off peak
Will south coast to london trains still stop at Horley,
Do you know what happens to the carriages that are detached at Eastbourne from the 17:27 Victoria to Ore Service
Yes, they will.
What is interesting is the change from the draft timetable in the consultation. In that timetable evrything stopped at Gatwick. Now it seems the Horley stop has been removed from the Southampton service as well as Redhill, and the Brighton semi-fast takes up the Horley call for Victoria trains in place of calling at Gatwick.
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can't the brighton no longer express trains that will stop at horley replace those south coast trains? always seems an odd stop to me might as well be gatwick airport it is that near
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oh just seen this
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stupid question but do the littlehampton/ore trains go via redhill
thanks is there info on the improved thameslink services through redhill?
won't these go direct to brighton?
thanks is there info on the improved thameslink services through redhill?
won't these go direct to brighton?
The loss of South Coast services will be missed but the genuine need from Redhill is a service to Brighton which is a major employer from the area. Those services were taken away in 2006/7 when Thameslink was diverted down the quarry line.
Redhill has become vastly reduced version of its previous self with low quality routes replacing good services and lack of imagination by the timetable planners.
It isn't really an improvement. Since December last year there have been 6tph of "Thameslink" services south of East Croydon. 4tph from Bedford of which 2tph go to Brighton and 2tph go only as far as Three Bridges. The other service has been 2tph London Bridge to Brighton.
The 2tph for Three Bridges has been running non-stop via Redhill crossing to the fast at Norwood Junction and then back to the slow at Stoats Nest Junction. What will happen from December is that it runs on the slow all the way from Crystal Palace to Three Bridges and picks up the stops of the current London Bridge to Reigate / Tonbridge service north of Redhill. South of Redhill they only stop at Gatwick Airport and Three Bridges.
The current Bedford to Brighton and London Bridge to Brighton services maintain the 4tph off-peak "Thameslink" to Brighton. By the time the Bedford to Three Bridges train reaches Three Bridges the Bedford to Brighton service has caught up with it (and northbound the need to shoehorn in the Reigate / Tonbridge to London Victoria train means that the Three Bridges to Bedford train leaves Three Bridges before the Brighton to Bedford train that leaves East Croydon 15 minutes earlier).
The fact that it goes to Three Bridges at all seems to be for operational convenience (ie the availability of platform 1 there to turn it round in)
Random thought.
It would be hugely expensive, but the lines are very, very close south of Merstham. Could it be worthwhile widening ~2km of railway so the fast lines could serve Redhill? You'd obviously have to combine this with a rebuild of the station to ensure you had sufficient platform capacity, but it would enable vastly more services to call, because I don't see platforms appearing on the Quarry lines any time soon...
They may be very very close in your eyes/imagination/estimation but there's a whole lotta residences in between as well as a girt big hill. You could always go left field and re-open the fast line platforms at Earlswood though.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2397775,-0.1650406,577m/data=!3m1!1e3
Sorry, I think you have misunderstood me. They're only ~45m apart with just wasteland between them here:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2596804,-0.152333,232m/data=!3m1!1e3
I can't see this has been raised elsewhere on the forum.
What is the story behind the 'experimental' cancellation of half the off-peak GatEx service, for a week starting on Monday 23rd? Also a number of off-peak Brighton-London Bridge Thameslink trains will now terminate at Gatwick.
We are only three weeks away from the new timetable. Isn't it a bit late to start tweaking the outgoing timetable to see if it can be made to work better?
There's clearly a bigger story in the background, but what?
The half-hourly service on Gatwick Express is only between 09:20 and 11:50.
Yep there are:I'm going by Realtimetrains - that's the only period that there is a 30 minute service.
Perhaps there are more changes than shown there.
I'm going by Realtimetrains - that's the only period that there is a 30 minute service.
Perhaps there are more changes than shown there.
I imagine unless they change the timings or their is also enough allowances, those services will run late.Full list is below (I would've though the 0956 and 1028 TL ones are rather busy with cheap ticket holders..obviously knowing Thameslink they'll cancel these four and then short form the ones behind them!):
Full Thameslink cancellations:
09:56 Brighton-London Bridge
10:28 Brighton-London Bridge
14:42 London Bridge - Brighton
15:12 London Bridge - Brighton
Part Thameslink cancellations Services (terminating short at Gatwick):
10:56 Brighton-London Bridge
11:28 Brighton-London Bridge
11:56 Brighton-London Bridge
12:28 Brighton-London Bridge
12:56 Brighton-London Bridge
13:28 Brighton-London Bridge
13:56 Brighton-London Bridge
Part Thameslink cancellations Services (Starting short at Gatwick):
11:12 London Bridge - Brighton
11:42 London Bridge - Brighton
12:12 London Bridge - Brighton
12:42 London Bridge - Brighton
13:12 London Bridge - Brighton
13:42 London Bridge - Brighton
15:12 London Bridge - Brighton
Southbound Gatwick Express cancellations:
09.14 Victoria-Gatwick
09.44 Victoria-Gatwick
10.14 Victoria-Gatwick
10.44 Victoria-Gatwick
11.14 Victoria-Gatwick
11.44 Victoria-Gatwick
12.14 Victoria-Gatwick
12.44 Victoria-Gatwick
13.14 Victoria-Gatwick
13.44 Victoria-Gatwick
14.14 Victoria-Gatwick
14.44 Victoria-Gatwick
15.14 Victoria-Gatwick
15.44 Victoria-Gatwick
19.14 Victoria-Gatwick
19.44 Victoria-Gatwick
20.14 Victoria-Gatwick
21.14 Victoria-Gatwick
21.44 Victoria-Gatwick
Northbound Gatwick Express cancellations:
09.35 Gatwick-Victoria
10.05 Gatwick-Victoria
10.35 Gatwick-Victoria
11.05 Gatwick-Victoria
11.35 Gatwick-Victoria
12.05 Gatwick-Victoria
12.35 Gatwick-Victoria
13.05 Gatwick-Victoria
13.35 Gatwick-Victoria
14.05 Gatwick-Victoria
14.35 Gatwick-Victoria
15.05 Gatwick-Victoria
15.35 Gatwick-Victoria
16.05 Gatwick-Victoria
20.05 Gatwick-Victoria
20.35 Gatwick-Victoria
21.05 Gatwick-Victoria
21.35 Gatwick-Victoria
22.05 Gatwick-Victoria
22.35 Gatwick-Victoria
Additional stops:
09.45 Littlehampton to Victoria call additionally at Preston Park(Southern service)
10.08 Brighton to Bedford call additionally at Hassocks and Balcombe (Thameslink service)
10.38 Brighton to Bedford call additionally at Hassocks and Wivelsfield (Thameslink service)
13.24 Bedford to Brighton call additionally at Preston Park (Thameslink service)
13.54 Bedford to Brighton call additionally at Balcombe (Thameslink Service)
Being cynical, is it coincidence that there are ongoing reports of crew shortage at the moment? I suspect it gets them out of paying fines/delay repay.
There also seems to be spin involved, because they have not (yet) published a list of all the changes, instead referring people to the journey planner to look up individual journeys.
It is important to passengers who use the off-peak services to be able to see the overall changes to the service pattern, without jumping through hoops. It would be interesting to see their defininition of 'off-peak'.
Due to poor punctuality during autumn, and the very busy nature of the service, Thameslink have worked with Network Rail to temporarily remove a number of off-peak services from the timetable. This is to help reduce congestion on the network, so that a more reliable service can be provided overall. This will start on Monday 23 November, for a one week trial.
Seven off peak services each way between Brighton and London Bridge will run between Brighton and Gatwick Airport only, and two services will not run. Additional station stops have been added into other Thameslink or Southern trains to provide travel alternatives. Ticket acceptance is in place so Southern and Thameslink passengers can use each others services between London and Brighton.
Thameslink state that they have considered these temporary changes carefully to minimise the impact on passengers. Thameslink will review the effect they have on overall punctuality during this week, and assess if they should continue up until the timetable change on 13 December when a new off peak timetable pattern is due to be introduced.
To check your journey, please use the National Rail Enquiries real-time Journey Planner
The reason for doing this was for reliability in the current weather. I guess if those run late but the others on time it won't matter.