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The sort of racism that is prevelent across the north?
MCW
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I didn't want to be the first who said it but, yeah, Northern England and a Foreign surname. most likely to be racial discrimination more than anything else.
had that been Leicester, the majority of people would give up the seat for her. it is a case of demographics and social attitudes and not everywhere is the same.
johnnychips
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Why would you put anybody under a miner?
hock:It would probably warm them up though.
ushawk
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I fail to see how this is "racist". Its simply some rude passengers who were disgusting and didnt let a person, who clearly needed a seat, sit down.
MCW
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that sir, is a fair point you make....
ok perhaps my phrasing was quite off! but nevertheless still not what behaviour would be expected
Well, that's what happens when the council coerces people into using public transport by over-regulation of the roads. Manchester City Council was a bad one when I was at Uni and they can't have got any better. Mind you, if there was more capacity... I sometimes wonder if this 'etiquette' malarky is an excuse not to make expansions to infrastructure.
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As an afterthought, when etiquette came into being however many years ago, "the pill" was probably hadn't been invented. One way Tony B. Liar's government actually poisoned society was by making the pill free of charge on the NHS, pregnancy becomes seen as preventable, almost self-inflicted.
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As an afterthought, when etiquette came into being however many years ago, "the pill" was probably hadn't been invented. One way Tony B. Liar's government actually poisoned society was by making the pill free of charge on the NHS, pregnancy becomes seen as preventable, almost self-inflicted.
The north east maybe, but Manchester is one of the least racist places that I've lived in!
This seems to be an unfortunate fairly isolated incident that isn't representative of what people are usually like up here. Hell, I even get offered seats and I'm fit and healthy! (no, I don't accept them usually)
tbtc
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You're making a sweeping statement about other people allegedly having prejudices?
Isn't Manchester seeing some of the largest expansions to public transport infrastructure outside London?
I think the main problem with the roads in Manchester is the large number of people trying to use them.
Pregnancy is preventable with or without the Pill - I'm fairly sure it's been free on the NHS for a long time before Mr Blair. If that was in fact his government I'd put it on the small list of good things they did.
The north isn't racist and sweeping statements are not going to help anyone.
We have no understanding of who she was asking to move and a quick move down the article shows that she does not look pregnant when in her bulky coat and armed with clutches.
Sadly, not everyone is as caring any more but to brand everyone as Barbarians...
We have no understanding of who she was asking to move and a quick move down the article shows that she does not look pregnant when in her bulky coat and armed with clutches.
Sadly, not everyone is as caring any more but to brand everyone as Barbarians...
Agreed. I'm reminded of an incident on a bus when I was a teenager. An obviously pregnant lady got on, and before anybody had chance to react, she started going off on one about how rude we all were for not giving up our seats. Both myself and the mate I was travelling with would have gladly given up our seats had we even had chance to do so, but her ranting caused us immature teenagers to dig our heels in and stay put. With hindsight, I'd have given up my seat while making a subtle point, but that never occurred to me at the time, being young and naïve. Still, the point is that sometimes people don't go about getting what they want in the right way. And this smacks of one of those scenarios to me.
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By abstaining from activities that cause it is one idea!
Xenophon PCDGS
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In the hope of returning this matter to being "on-thread", being one one the "Light Rail...at al" forum, rather than the General Discussion forum, the newer M5000 trams do seem to have even less seats than the older T68 trams on the Manchester Metrolink system, where this would have been even worse considering the seat availability.
MCW
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SO we have a collier with Crutches denied a seat on a train.....
oh heavens..... :roll:
Well, firstly, I'll emphasise that I don't know all the circumstances, so can't comment on this particular case. However, I find that you're often damned if you do and damned if you don't. There are certain people who don't like someone giving up a seat for them, and tend to yell at you if you do. However, I believe that some people have more right to sit down than others and an (mostly) able-bodied, young male such as myself would be low on the priority list. Some people don't like that, for various reasons, and some don't think about it or just don't care. That's the sort of world we live in.
Xenophon PCDGS
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SO we have a collier with Crutches denied a seat on a train.....
oh heavens..... :roll:
Even worse than this if you refer to the quote that you referred to in your post, which actually said "clutches"...not crutches.
Therefore, we now have....
"A collier with clutches...
hock: The mind boggles at this image...
MCW
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Even worse than this if you refer to the quote that you referred to in your post, which actually said "clutches"...not crutches.
Therefore, we now have....
"A collier with clutches...
it said clutches at the time i quoted it, i hadn't refreshed my page! Doh
In my experience, outside commuter times at least, the general public tend to be that bit friendlier and more accommodating on the whole in 'the provincial cities'. This case has nothing to do with racism IMO, Manchester itself is very diverse these days anyway.
In London, I find that a lot of people seem to go into a certain self-absorbed mode on public transport, probably because it's such a common activity that many do on their own.
Having said that, as mentioned above, giving up your seat to someone who you think needs it more than you, is not always met with a positive reaction. Occasionally, people are even offended by the notion.
It's not always easy to judge. My friend in 21 and looks young and able-bodied. However, he has a spinal condition which makes standing up on a moving vehicle rather difficult and even painful. People have asked him to give up a seat and became annoyed at a refusal.
The 'Daily Mail' readership do bleat on about common sense and respect, but it's not always that simple and for that matter never has been.
In London, I find that a lot of people seem to go into a certain self-absorbed mode on public transport, probably because it's such a common activity that many do on their own.
Having said that, as mentioned above, giving up your seat to someone who you think needs it more than you, is not always met with a positive reaction. Occasionally, people are even offended by the notion.
It's not always easy to judge. My friend in 21 and looks young and able-bodied. However, he has a spinal condition which makes standing up on a moving vehicle rather difficult and even painful. People have asked him to give up a seat and became annoyed at a refusal.
The 'Daily Mail' readership do bleat on about common sense and respect, but it's not always that simple and for that matter never has been.
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I am rather puzzled by this bit:
Really? What is she complaining about? Staff did try and help her so what else does she want?
She has my sympathy however what happened is hardly the tram company's fault, is it?
Daily Mail said:
Really? What is she complaining about? Staff did try and help her so what else does she want?
She has my sympathy however what happened is hardly the tram company's fault, is it?
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I assume she's complaining about the customers not the company itself.
It seems somewhat suspicious that she's claiming staff didn't try to help her, yet Metrolink says CCTV shows they did - I suspect there's a bit more to this story.
T68s have 82 or 84 seats, M5000s (which are longer) have 52 or 58 seats - not sure why there are 2 different seating layouts on the M5000s. Hopefully a second batch got spec'd to have 6 extra seats.
A single M5000 should certainly not be used on peak time workings between Piccadilly and Altrincham or Piccadilly and MediaCity, yet many are.
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Has anyone else noticed the T68 picture in the Daily Mail article says 'G-Mex' on the front even though the article says she boarded at Deansgate-Castlefield (the new name for G-Mex Metrolink stop)?
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Well the picture must be quite old as the T68 still has white doors?
martin2345uk
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I think a bigger giveaway is the fact that it shows a non-pedestrianised Market Street before the current island platform was built!
northernrail
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I was wondering why this had popped up on Metrolinks Website recently.
Priority seating on Metrolink
(Published:29/11/2012)
Metrolink trams have a number of seats designated as ‘priority seats’.
These are positioned close to the doors and are intended to be easily reached by customers who have a disability, are pregnant or who have other mobility problems.
As we continue to expand the system, our new vehicles will have double priority seats located throughout the carriage clearly marked “Priority seating for disabled, pregnant and less able to stand.”
If you sit in one of these seats and see these signs, please be prepared to offer up this seat to someone who needs it more.
Metrolink staff may also request that you give up this seat, but we cannot insist if you choose not to do so. We ask, however, that you show awareness towards your fellow passengers and that you show them courtesy in giving up your seat if they need it.
Customers who are pregnant may want to ask others to give up their seat since they may not be aware of your need.
To raise awareness of this issue among our passengers, we are happy to support an initiative set up by Alex McLeod, a retailer from Knutsford who owns a maternity boutique, The Pudding Club.
Alex is producing “Baby on Board” badges for pregnant women to wear while travelling on public transport. If you’d like one of her badges, please pop into her shop on Minshull Street in Knutsford or for further details, please visit http://thepuddingclub.co.uk/
We’re also looking to support similar retailers in Greater Manchester who may want to do the same. If you have a similar scheme, please get in touch via [email protected]
Priority seating on Metrolink
(Published:29/11/2012)
Metrolink trams have a number of seats designated as ‘priority seats’.
These are positioned close to the doors and are intended to be easily reached by customers who have a disability, are pregnant or who have other mobility problems.
As we continue to expand the system, our new vehicles will have double priority seats located throughout the carriage clearly marked “Priority seating for disabled, pregnant and less able to stand.”
If you sit in one of these seats and see these signs, please be prepared to offer up this seat to someone who needs it more.
Metrolink staff may also request that you give up this seat, but we cannot insist if you choose not to do so. We ask, however, that you show awareness towards your fellow passengers and that you show them courtesy in giving up your seat if they need it.
Customers who are pregnant may want to ask others to give up their seat since they may not be aware of your need.
To raise awareness of this issue among our passengers, we are happy to support an initiative set up by Alex McLeod, a retailer from Knutsford who owns a maternity boutique, The Pudding Club.
Alex is producing “Baby on Board” badges for pregnant women to wear while travelling on public transport. If you’d like one of her badges, please pop into her shop on Minshull Street in Knutsford or for further details, please visit http://thepuddingclub.co.uk/
We’re also looking to support similar retailers in Greater Manchester who may want to do the same. If you have a similar scheme, please get in touch via [email protected]
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