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Arriva Leicester electric buses still not in service.

Qwerty133

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The first of a batch of 24 electric Streetdecks was delivered back in September with publicity at the time suggesting an October introduction into service. 3 months later than this there is still no progress with the buses being introduced and even driver training now appears to be on hold with the buses not having been seen for several weeks after a period in which it was in and out of the city centre several times a day. Whilst there are rumours of infrastructure and electricity supply issues these really should have been examined before ordering electric vehicles and certainly should have been noticed long before mid September when it was thought that everything would be in place for introduction into service the following month.

Compounding factors with regards to vehicle availability leading to regular cancellations is the ongoing transfer of 2014 Enviro 400s in return for significantly older and less reliable examples from Merseyside, despite the older examples still having several months of permitted use in Merseyside. This should have allowed the cascades to be put on hold until the electrics were in service and other unreliable vehicles had been withdrawn from service (in particular the 2006 Geminis have been widely accepted to be life expired and in need of urgent replacement for over a year now).
 
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The first of a batch of 24 electric Streetdecks was delivered back in September with publicity at the time suggesting an October introduction into service. 3 months later than this there is still no progress with the buses being introduced and even driver training now appears to be on hold with the buses not having been seen for several weeks after a period in which it was in and out of the city centre several times a day. Whilst there are rumours of infrastructure and electricity supply issues these really should have been examined before ordering electric vehicles and certainly should have been noticed long before mid September when it was thought that everything would be in place for introduction into service the following month.

Compounding factors with regards to vehicle availability leading to regular cancellations is the ongoing transfer of 2014 Enviro 400s in return for significantly older and less reliable examples from Merseyside, despite the older examples still having several months of permitted use in Merseyside. This should have allowed the cascades to be put on hold until the electrics were in service and other unreliable vehicles had been withdrawn from service (in particular the 2006 Geminis have been widely accepted to be life expired and in need of urgent replacement for over a year now).
Doesn't appear to be any infrastructure in drone images of the depot from December
 

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Can't answer the question about the electric buses, other than, have they got no heating like the GB Kites that First Leicester use?
Also, can you confirm what's going out and what's supposed to be coming in for Arriva Leicester?
 

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Can't answer the question about the electric buses, other than, have they got no heating like the GB Kites that First Leicester use?
Also, can you confirm what's going out and what's supposed to be coming in for Arriva Leicester?
The original plan was for 24 electric street decks to see some older vehicles into retirement as well as return the decker fleet to a number more in line with what is typically required for a full service to operate. It was never confirmed exactly what would be withdrawn but it is widely assumed that the remaining 2006 Geminis would be heading for scrap. There are also rumours of at least some of the 2008 Olympus’ heading south to Aylesbury but presumably it won’t be all of them as 24 buses will be insufficient to replace both the Geminis and Olympuses (currently 26 buses but more like 30-32 when the order was planned due to multiple terminal failures).
In a separate cascade I believe the plan is that all of the 2014 and 2016 Enviro 400s and Environ400 MMCs are supposed to be heading to Merseyside in return for the same number of 2008/2009 examples (identities only being confirmed when individual switches occur). As far as I can tell the 6 2017 examples are to stay at Leicester so that there retains the operational flexibility for Hinckley to have 2 midlife deckers at a time with spares for servicing and breakdowns (end of life examples being considered unsuitable for both the 158 and X84 due to distance and there being no desire to train Hinckley drivers on the camera mirrors on the newer buses).
 

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The original plan was for 24 electric street decks to see some older vehicles into retirement as well as return the decker fleet to a number more in line with what is typically required for a full service to operate. It was never confirmed exactly what would be withdrawn but it is widely assumed that the remaining 2006 Geminis would be heading for scrap. There are also rumours of at least some of the 2008 Olympus’ heading south to Aylesbury but presumably it won’t be all of them as 24 buses will be insufficient to replace both the Geminis and Olympuses (currently 26 buses but more like 30-32 when the order was planned due to multiple terminal failures).
In a separate cascade I believe the plan is that all of the 2014 and 2016 Enviro 400s and Environ400 MMCs are supposed to be heading to Merseyside in return for the same number of 2008/2009 examples (identities only being confirmed when individual switches occur). As far as I can tell the 6 2017 examples are to stay at Leicester so that there retains the operational flexibility for Hinckley to have 2 midlife deckers at a time with spares for servicing and breakdowns (end of life examples being considered unsuitable for both the 158 and X84 due to distance and there being no desire to train Hinckley drivers on the camera mirrors on the newer buses).
Thanks, are the Enviro 400 mmc's the new batch of 72 plate deckers? Replacing those with 15 year old stock is a bit of a duff swap, isn't it?

Edit : just read the link above and the new batch appear to be staying, it's still "older" for "newer" though
 

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Thanks, are the Enviro 400 mmc's the new batch of 72 plate deckers? Replacing those with 15 year old stock is a bit of a duff swap, isn't it?
16 plates unless plans have changed
 

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Hopefully not paraphrasing or misremembering too much, but I believe it's been said elsewhere that electricity providers are refusing to put in infrastructure and grid capacity until vehicles are ordered so they can be sure the capacity upgrade is needed, then can't install it by the time the vehicles are delivered.

It appears most operators of electric buses are going to have to build in having expensive kit they can't use for the first few months. Whilst they are responsible for their own diesel supply in an only slightly more complex way than a private motorist, there is significant reliance on other organisations for alternative fuels.
 
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They can always hire in those lorry based generators musical festivals use. Though its probally quite expensive and would be a planning permission nightmare
 

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They can always hire in those lorry based generators musical festivals use. Though its probally quite expensive and would be a planning permission nightmare
And lead to social media outrage no doubt about how how "Supposedly green buses are charged by DIESEL generators!!!!"
 

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And lead to social media outrage no doubt about how how "Supposedly green buses are charged by DIESEL generators!!!!"
I agree that it wouldn’t exactly look good but as an alternative to cancelling services, which the current situation is leading to, it probably is the better option.
 

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Could the outstation at Roberts be used for the StreetDecks? Even if it's temporary solution
 

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Leicester Buses website now states February for the introduction of Arriva's electric deckers then December 2023

Details: https://www.leicesterbuses.co.uk/2024

In a major first for Leicester, Arriva has announced that it will be bringing 24 brand new electric double decker buses to the city.
The state of the art, zero emission, British built ‘Streetdeck Electroliner’ buses will be introduced to the streets of Leicester from December 2023 and will be the city’s first electric double deckers as well as being Arriva’s first electric double deckers outside of London.
This landmark moment for the city’s transport network has been made possible thanks to the ongoing partnership between Arriva UK Bus and Leicester City Council through a successful joint bid to the Government’s Zero Emission Bus Regional Areas (ZEBRA) scheme, to unlock the £11m worth of green investment required to purchase new buses.
This further investment from Arriva comes on top of the £9m addition of 36 new ultra-low emission Euro VI buses arriving into Arriva Leicester’s fleet this Christmas.
Together this £20m investment represents a significant step in Arriva’s commitment to developing and decarbonising its fleet in Leicester and builds on the millions of pounds the operator has already invested in upgrading its entire Leicester fleet to the latest Euro VI ultra-low emissions standards.
 

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The first of a batch of 24 electric Streetdecks was delivered back in September with publicity at the time suggesting an October introduction into service. 3 months later than this there is still no progress with the buses being introduced and even driver training now appears to be on hold with the buses not having been seen for several weeks after a period in which it was in and out of the city centre several times a day. Whilst there are rumours of infrastructure and electricity supply issues these really should have been examined before ordering electric vehicles and certainly should have been noticed long before mid September when it was thought that everything would be in place for introduction into service the following month.

Compounding factors with regards to vehicle availability leading to regular cancellations is the ongoing transfer of 2014 Enviro 400s in return for significantly older and less reliable examples from Merseyside, despite the older examples still having several months of permitted use in Merseyside. This should have allowed the cascades to be put on hold until the electrics were in service and other unreliable vehicles had been withdrawn from service (in particular the 2006 Geminis have been widely accepted to be life expired and in need of urgent replacement for over a year now).
It's very Arriva :D Down South, Enfield Garage are experiencing the same thing with their new Electroliners, apparently not able to fully charge them without drawing too much from the Grid. So the 13 plate DB300s that were supposed to replace them, carry on on the 307. Ditto with their new Switch Metrocities, which are electric but you see E200 MMCs on the route more than ever. Hopefully it is some sort of infrastructure / power issue on which they must wait on UKPN (UK Power Networks) to resolve, so it means partial charging and shorter ranges. Not sure what costs the local recovery / breakdown contractors have, but perhaps Leicester have factored that in (recovering a dead bus from far away will cost more than keeping older DB250 buses going, which are more reliable)... Electric buses aren't good in cold weather with batteries either.

Makes me wonder how they will deal with further electrics like the 243 and 279, and more or less everything as time goes on... yet other operators seem to be unaffected. Go Ahead, their closest biggest rival in terms of electric stock, doesn't have that issue, nore Stagecoach down the road :rolleyes:

Hopefully Leicester sort their new kit out soon.
 
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A manic few days at Wycombe but I am happy to report that 4210 has had its upper deck seats repaired, it was also warm on the top deck too.

Really hope the new owners will pay attention to Wycombe in due course.
 

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The original plan was for 24 electric street decks to see some older vehicles into retirement as well as return the decker fleet to a number more in line with what is typically required for a full service to operate. It was never confirmed exactly what would be withdrawn but it is widely assumed that the remaining 2006 Geminis would be heading for scrap. There are also rumours of at least some of the 2008 Olympus’ heading south to Aylesbury but presumably it won’t be all of them as 24 buses will be insufficient to replace both the Geminis and Olympuses (currently 26 buses but more like 30-32 when the order was planned due to multiple terminal failures).
In a separate cascade I believe the plan is that all of the 2014 and 2016 Enviro 400s and Environ400 MMCs are supposed to be heading to Merseyside in return for the same number of 2008/2009 examples (identities only being confirmed when individual switches occur). As far as I can tell the 6 2017 examples are to stay at Leicester so that there retains the operational flexibility for Hinckley to have 2 midlife deckers at a time with spares for servicing and breakdowns (end of life examples being considered unsuitable for both the 158 and X84 due to distance and there being no desire to train Hinckley drivers on the camera mirrors on the newer buses).
Hinckley had 2 double deckers for the X84 route. That's down to 1 with the other on route 158.

Hinckley does borrow Thurmaston double deckers when 4549 or 4551 go for service.
 

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Hinckley had 2 double deckers for the X84 route. That's down to 1 with the other on route 158.

Hinckley does borrow Thurmaston double deckers when 4549 or 4551 go for service.
Quite a few of the older deckers in the 41xx and 47xx batches have been sighted on the 158 over recent weeks alongside the usual deckers on the X84.
 

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Leicester Buses' website now states that Arriva's electric buses are to enter service in April... six months late!
 

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There has been a suggestion that up to two of the double deckers may be used on demonstration in Derby. Presume on Alvaston and Sinfin routes, where electric buses would be operated should the ZEBRA 2 bid be successful.
 

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Hope they come into service soon. The E400's we got in recently are interesting though as a passenger. At least one is really quick, a few are really slow and i went on one last week with duff suspension, it was crashing along. At least it isn't dull.
 

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Latest official Arriva news with the Zebra2 press release of a further 25 electric deckers for Leicester, is the 24 that are already built, should be in use by "May 2024".

Latest official Arriva news with the Zebra2 press release of a further 25 electric deckers for Leicester, is the 24 that are already built, should be in use by "May 2024".
 
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Any idea when this 2nd batch will be in service? I'm a regular user of the 5A. Appreciate that the first batch for the Leicester services are late into operation so not expecting the bus from Melton to be battery powered anytime soon.
 

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Any idea when this 2nd batch will be in service? I'm a regular user of the 5A. Appreciate that the first batch for the Leicester services are late into operation so not expecting the bus from Melton to be battery powered anytime soon.
At least a year yet. Funding only confirmed a few weeks ago, will be busy agreeing all the legal stuff with the council before they can place the order for the buses.
 

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