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One of Derby's very scruffy VDLs was causing havoc on Station Street in Burton this afternoon having broken down right at the traffic lights on Sainsbury's corner whilst working an X38 service. It must have happened before 3pm and wasn't moved until after 5pm. Fitters were in attendance with the service van, parked behind the bus but seemed to be unable to re-start it.
Probably explains why the villager was up the spout last night. I got the 1615 from Derby with the 1545 arriving at the same time and the next one was nearly 2 hours later.
Very scruffy?
Hardly. It was repainted approx 19 months ago....
And unlike certain other operators, it was replaced with another bus...
Some of them do look a bit scruffy. Admittedly, to me, one of the worst I think is still in the old livery, so it will be painted soon.
 

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Very scruffy?
Hardly. It was repainted approx 19 months ago....
And unlike certain other operators, it was replaced with another bus...
Replaced by another bus? My word, an operator with sufficient spares to maintain services. Unlike some. To be fair though, some of the Arriva buses do look like they could do with a good wash.
 

DucieStreet

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With the 5/5A increasing back to every 30 mins frequency, will there be a need for more smaller single deckers?
 

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With the 5/5A increasing back to every 30 mins frequency, will there be a need for more smaller single deckers?
I believe not, I could be wrong but I think they’ll have enough lites to cover, realistically though Derby do need some extra deckers (I thought they’d have got some from Leicester with the newest batch of electrics, but I was mistaken) the alvaston routes are often single decks & around peak times that isn’t the greatest, plus the questionable reliability of the new VDLs with some being off the road for around a month now (could be in for paint etc) but I’m glad that some Scanias are still in service.

I haven’t worked it out yet but with the 38 increasing to every 10 mins again, it would require an extra bus into the PVR if I’m not mistaken, with any luck 4400/4401 might return from Leicester, meaning the 38 could be entirely ADL ran again.
 

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I believe not, I could be wrong but I think they’ll have enough lites to cover, realistically though Derby do need some extra deckers (I thought they’d have got some from Leicester with the newest batch of electrics, but I was mistaken) the alvaston routes are often single decks & around peak times that isn’t the greatest, plus the questionable reliability of the new VDLs with some being off the road for around a month now (could be in for paint etc) but I’m glad that some Scanias are still in service.

I haven’t worked it out yet but with the 38 increasing to every 10 mins again, it would require an extra bus into the PVR if I’m not mistaken, with any luck 4400/4401 might return from Leicester, meaning the 38 could be entirely ADL ran again.
I have seen VDLs on the 38.. As for the 5/6/7 routes, Streetlites are fine there. They are routes I am not likely to use
 

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I believe not, I could be wrong but I think they’ll have enough lites to cover, realistically though Derby do need some extra deckers (I thought they’d have got some from Leicester with the newest batch of electrics, but I was mistaken) the alvaston routes are often single decks & around peak times that isn’t the greatest, plus the questionable reliability of the new VDLs with some being off the road for around a month now (could be in for paint etc) but I’m glad that some Scanias are still in service.

I haven’t worked it out yet but with the 38 increasing to every 10 mins again, it would require an extra bus into the PVR if I’m not mistaken, with any luck 4400/4401 might return from Leicester, meaning the 38 could be entirely ADL ran again.
4400/4401 haven’t been Derby buses for years and there is absolutely no reason for them to return. Even without these leaving given the other planned transfers Leicester will be short of deckers.
 

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I have seen VDLs on the 38.. As for the 5/6/7 routes, Streetlites are fine there. They are routes I am not likely to use
How is the pvr for Derby really changing. Plus 1 for the 38 or does it just mean the peak time bus is used all day?

20/26 looks to be reduced to just 4 buses down from 6 at present.

Route 7 may not depend on Streetlites if it does not interwork with the 6.

I assume the Wyn wyvern bus that only operates in one direction at peak times Monday to Friday will no longer interwork with 26. Odd how it wasn't worked into the 20/21 timetable, perhaps as a 20x.
 

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I haven’t worked it out yet but with the 38 increasing to every 10 mins again, it would require an extra bus into the PVR if I’m not mistaken, with any luck 4400/4401 might return from Leicester, meaning the 38 could be entirely ADL ran again.

The original 8 bus PVR had the 8th bus only doing AM/PM peaks, but it didn't work and was changed such that all eight were used all day. The latter solution was considerably more reliable, so hopefully that's what will happen.

And even if 4401/02 were to return, it wouldn't be all ADL operated, as there would only be seven for a PVR of 8.
 

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I was on that bus yesterday. We were going along nicely when all of a sudden their was a pop sort of noise and the bus started to slow down. Luckily the layby was near so the driver pulled in there. We all got off and were stood outside when the next X38 pulled up behind. This was a Trent Barton bus and the driver very kindly let us come on board so we could continue on to Burton. The Arriva bus had smoke coming out of the engine but it was not a major amount at the time we left. I have to say the interior of the bus was dirty to say the least and needs a good deep clean.
 

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8035 and 8036 has entered service today on the 127 (can't wait to catch these ones!)
Only 5 left to arrive/enter service now:
8045, 8047, 8048, 8049 & 8050.

Whether these release the 44xx E400s to go down to Milton Keynes or the 19xx E400s to be sent back up to Yorkshire remains to be seen.
 

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Only 5 left to arrive/enter service now:
8045, 8047, 8048, 8049 & 8050.

Whether these release the 44xx E400s to go down to Milton Keynes or the 19xx E400s to be sent back up to Yorkshire remains to be seen.
I don't think the 19xx E400s would go back to Yorkshire since they just had ten of our 72-plate MMCs. I heard they were going to be sold off, but maybe Derby will want some buses. I also heard that Leicester might be a couple of buses short without them. So who knows?

As mentioned in the WM Bus Photos forum, Tamworth's 4600, new to Derby as the third Wright Streetdeck ever built and the first with the Stealth design language, has been sent to NewPower as a pilot vehicle for the group to be repowered, which will hopefully cure its apparently chronic reliability issues. Its registration has been changed from FJ64 ETZ to 6764 MW, the new registration being formerly carried by an Irizar driver training coach, and a magazine article states that it is expected to join the Electroliners in Leicester once the conversion is completed.
 

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If my maths is correct, only 16 enviros have left so far, and there is 12 more older enviros still in use, making 28 in total. If it is a batch of 27 (instead of 25), those and 4600 might just be enough to replace them all.
 
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SSmith2009

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I don't think the 19xx E400s would go back to Yorkshire since they just had ten of our 72-plate MMCs. I heard they were going to be sold off, but maybe Derby will want some buses. I also heard that Leicester might be a couple of buses short without them. So who knows?
If all those E400s do go it may leave them a couple of deckers short but allocating the most suitable vehicles to the correct routes would fix that issue. (I'm looking at the 87 using a decker and 104 using versas )
 

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Does anyone know why BN74 JZX (8033) doesn't come out as often as most of the other Electroliners? And is there any way to know when it might come out next or is it based on chance/last-minute decisions?
 

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E400EV DM01-MD has re-entered service today! 8047 and 8048 have also entered service for the first time this afternoon, leaving just three Electroliners left to enter service.
 

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Is there any plans to tidy up the ex-Manchester Sapphire E300s that have come down to the Midlands?

Both inside and out they are a mess.
 
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Is there any plans to tidy up the ex-Manchester Sapphire E300s that have come down to the Midlands?

Both inside and out they are a mess.

Considering these were due to be scrapped before being deemed needed elsewhere, and are some of the oldest buses Arriva have in the region I highly doubt it. A deep clean wouldn’t go amiss mind.
 

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Considering these were due to be scrapped before being deemed needed elsewhere, and are some of the oldest buses Arriva have in the region I highly doubt it. A deep clean wouldn’t go amiss mind.

Agree about the deep clean, the windows certainly need a clean, there's a couple in the Tamworth fleet where you can't see out of the windows.
 

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