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Arriva to close Aylesbury and High Wycombe depots

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This yard is, I think, next to the current Carousel Garage, but approached from the other end of the site. Google maps isn't very clear in the area.
The previous intention to lease the current Arriva Garage as an operating centre is now not being proceeded with.
 
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Heard on the 'Oxford Bus Enthusiasts' Facebook group (private so can't share a link and not 100% sure if it's correct) that this is not now happening, and Carousel will just be using the yard next to their own for now.

This yard is, I think, next to the current Carousel Garage, but approached from the other end of the site. Google maps isn't very clear in the area.
The previous intention to lease the current Arriva Garage as an operating centre is now not being proceeded with.
I'm sure it was Luke Marion who said about taking the Arriva site but clearly some fairly pivotal issue means plan B. Not a big site so whilst the parking area nearby is useful, going to be fun for refuelling and maintenance..
 

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So, not much of the former London Country North West remains intact. Slough was sold to Q Drive in 1993. Garston closed in 2018, with High Wycombe about to follow. I believe Aylesbury was part of Luton & District.

Aylesbury was actually part of United Counties and became Luton & District when United Counties was split.

Arriva's Hemel depot isn't the London Country one - that closed and was resited in 1997 - due to the site being needed for the link road to the new A41 dual carriageway.
 

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The new area is already being used by Carousel, initially it seemed for the parking of the Mercedes minibuses, but also several other vehicles were parked there on Sunday including three Ensignbus Enviro200MMC's, 710 being one of them.
 

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Aylesbury was actually part of United Counties and became Luton & District when United Counties was split.

Arriva's Hemel depot isn't the London Country one - that closed and was resited in 1997 - due to the site being needed for the link road to the new A41 dual carriageway.
If you want to go back further... The Arriva's Aylesbury depot isn't the United Counties one, being opened to replace Buckingham Street in 1991 which in itself was actually part of Eastern National from 1939 until 1952.
 

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Today I travelled on some Arriva buses in the Wycombe area, the drivers were dressed in uniform, unlike some that are replacing them, and every bus was on time. It was disappointing to see no notices on the Arriva buses advising of the change next week. Carousel had a couple of notices in the bus station but no leaflets I could see. There was a Carousel leaflet for 800/850 which stated that Wycombe market days were Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday - completely wrong! Arriva surely should have told their passengers, possibly thanking them for their custom?
 

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I'd say considering we have summer holidays running on time isn't a huge success TBH - you'd had different opinion on Arriva punctuality during school year. In my opinion Arriva always shown minimal effort, even back in the day their fleet was the most scruffiest and junkiest of all big operators.
 

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Today I travelled on some Arriva buses in the Wycombe area, the drivers were dressed in uniform, unlike some that are replacing them, and every bus was on time. It was disappointing to see no notices on the Arriva buses advising of the change next week. Carousel had a couple of notices in the bus station but no leaflets I could see. There was a Carousel leaflet for 800/850 which stated that Wycombe market days were Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday - completely wrong! Arriva surely should have told their passengers, possibly thanking them for their custom?
There were two large displays of leaflets at either end of the bus station last week.
 

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Not sure how true this is but I’ve heard Redline are to get the X5 from Hemel to Aylesbury and they’ve taken a few Golden Tours MCVs.
 

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Not sure how true this is but I’ve heard Redline are to get the X5 from Hemel to Aylesbury and they’ve taken a few Golden Tours MCVs.
Depends what you mean by "get"?

Arriva stated in their original announcement and again on 25th June (confirming it all) that

There is no change to the following services, which will continue to operate as normal from other depots:

• X4 – Aylesbury to Leighton Buzzard and Milton Keynes
X5 – Aylesbury to Tring and Hemel Hempstead
• X6 – Aylesbury to Buckingham and Milton Keynes
Arriva also put in a revised registration, deregistering the Midlands one (for Aylesbury depot) with a new Southern Counties one (reflecting operation by Hemel depot) IIRC

Whether Redline now fancy competing on that route.....?
 

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Not sure how true this is but I’ve heard Redline are to get the X5 from Hemel to Aylesbury and they’ve taken a few Golden Tours MCVs.
There is no registration for this as yet, meaning it would be some weeks before this could begin if this were indeed true.

Where did you hear it from?
 

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Whether Redline now fancy competing on that route.....?
Dare I ask where Redline would be getting the money from for this competition? Redline tend to compete heavily (such as early-late on the same frequency) and that's not cheap. Surely their other routes and contracts are not bringing in enough profit to cover losses on competing routes until you end up running the main operator off the road. My observations in Aylesbury were that when Redline and Arriva were side by side on the same routes, people were still opting and Redline got jus ta token few passengers. Generally older concessionary pass holders.
 

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So, not much of the former London Country North West remains intact. Slough was sold to Q Drive in 1993. Garston closed in 2018, with High Wycombe about to follow.

The Green Line depot in High Wycombe was at the foot of Marlow Hill. It closed a long, long time ago and was converted to retail use. South of Wycombe in the 1950s and 1960s was the Thames Valley Traction Co, with Green Line to the North. The boundary was approximately the A40. Later iterations were "Alder Valley" (a merger with Aldershot & District) and "The Bee Line" (Berks & Bucks giving the B's).
 

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Not sure how true this is but I’ve heard Redline are to get the X5 from Hemel to Aylesbury and they’ve taken a few Golden Tours MCVs.
How do you “get” a route?

I would have thought Redline would be better off figuring out how they’re going to cater for all the school kids on X20 and 300 come September now they’ve pushed out the incumbent that did the heavy lifting. It’s quite a step change from creaming off another operator to going it alone.
 

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The end is near now. With it being school holidays Arriva in Wycombe have been providing nearly a full service, with just the odd board missing on some routes, most commonly the 2/12. The Citaros have been pretty reliable in recent weeks, only 3920 off the road and I suspect withdrawn, it has been parked up for some time (although BusTimes showed it as out recently I suspect this was a ticket machine swap). E300 3580 hasn't operated for a while, maybe this has been transferred away. E400s 5457 and 5458 have not operated for a while either but at least 5457 was in the yard recently. The Versas are down to five, the 3 StreetLites are running plus the SB180/MCV, the two remaining B9TLs and two B7TLs. Long unused 4212 and 2982 have gone. Good that they seem to have kept enough drivers to the end to provide a full service. Some of the buses will be useful additions to other fleets, most interesting will be to see where the Citaros go, they aren't that common in Arriva, just a couple at Tunbridge Wells and then in the Midlands - but most of these came from the Midlands originally.

Edit- jinxed things- 4 Citaros seem to have given up today -3007, 3008, 3009 and 3014, also very unreliable E400 5460. But 6139 is tracking in two places at once, I wonder what the other one is…

Not sure how true this is but I’ve heard Redline are to get the X5 from Hemel to Aylesbury and they’ve taken a few Golden Tours MCVs.
Surely very unlikely. They have already bitten off plenty with the Oxford and Wycombe routes, yes they could do with some deckers for some journeys on these but why compete on the X5? And I'm sure Arriva wouldn't be dropping it at such short notice.
 
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Went and had a look today - Carousel definitely seem to be embracing the idea of operating most of the services and really pushing the idea of a “network”, as well as the revival of crosstown links. Also plenty of information leaflets for all the various different routes, or groups of routes they now operate. Definitely a step up from Arriva, but I’m not fooled - it’s only day two, and things could change. Plenty of variety, shiny repaints, and yet-to-be repainted buses.
Didn’t go to Aylesbury, but in Wycombe, Redline’s changes were completely unadvertised, apart from a different number on the destination boards. All four Aylesbury departures surprisingly had basically every seat filled, though I guess there’s an overall downgrade on the Wycombe - Aylesbury corridor from 6bph to 4bh
 

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Has there been a very late change to the Aylesbury - Thame - Oxford service?

According to bustimes, the Arriva X7 is still operating, and the Redline X20 is still operating half hourly and not serving Haddenham - rather than every 15 minutes serving Haddenham, as Bucks Council is advertising.

It seems unlikely that both operators have somehow forgotten to register the changes.
 
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It’s doing the same thing for Aylesbury - Wycombe, also all other Arriva routes still showing. Carousel in full swing on Bustimes though.
 

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Has there been a very late change to the Aylesbury - Thame - Oxford service?

According to bustimes, the Arriva X7 is still operating, and the Redline X20 is still operating half hourly and not serving Haddenham - rather than every 15 minutes serving Haddenham, as Bucks Council is advertising.

It seems unlikely that both operators have somehow forgotten to register the changes.
What makes you so sure that bustimes is correct?
 

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Has there been a very late change to the Aylesbury - Thame - Oxford service?

According to bustimes, the Arriva X7 is still operating, and the Redline X20 is still operating half hourly and not serving Haddenham - rather than every 15 minutes serving Haddenham, as Bucks Council is advertising.

It seems unlikely that both operators have somehow forgotten to register the changes.
X7 - https://bustimes.org/registrations/PF0000508/589
  • Received 14 Jun 24
  • Effective 28 Jul 24
  • Cancelled
Cancellation.
Operating between Aylesbury and Oxford given service number X7 / X8 effective from 28 July 2024.


X20 - https://bustimes.org/registrations/PF1127875/45
  • Received 12 Jul 24
  • Effective 28 Jul 24
  • Variation
  • Short notice
Timetable Variation
 

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Has there been a very late change to the Aylesbury - Thame - Oxford service?

According to bustimes, the Arriva X7 is still operating, and the Redline X20 is still operating half hourly and not serving Haddenham - rather than every 15 minutes serving Haddenham, as Bucks Council is advertising.

It seems unlikely that both operators have somehow forgotten to register the changes.
Basically Arriva data comes from Arrivas Ticketer data meaning someone within Arriva couldn't be bothered to update the Ticketer data (which also means they are providing wrong Bus Open Data to the government!).

Redlines data is the exact same data that is on their website. When Redline update their website, Bustimes will update as well.
 

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Has there been a very late change to the Aylesbury - Thame - Oxford service?

According to bustimes, the Arriva X7 is still operating, and the Redline X20 is still operating half hourly and not serving Haddenham - rather than every 15 minutes serving Haddenham, as Bucks Council is advertising.

It seems unlikely that both operators have somehow forgotten to register the changes.

It’s doing the same thing for Aylesbury - Wycombe, also all other Arriva routes still showing. Carousel in full swing on Bustimes though.
Whilst they are showing on the timetables panel, the key thing would be to note that no vehicles have tracked on the X7 today, whilst the X20 tracks every 15 minutes.

If the operators' BODS (Bus Open Data Service) uploads are incorrect, so, by default, will bustimes' information be. It appears the X7 was updated on Saturday, and presumably was included in the weekly update so that the X7 would show on that date without removing subsequent days (the Kent operation has, more than once, removed the final day of operation from any upload, including its own website in the past for similar reasons). Redline's last update was 15th April:

Timetable data from Redline Buses, 15 April 2024
 

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Went and had a look today - Carousel definitely seem to be embracing the idea of operating most of the services and really pushing the idea of a “network”, as well as the revival of crosstown links. Also plenty of information leaflets for all the various different routes, or groups of routes they now operate. Definitely a step up from Arriva, but I’m not fooled - it’s only day two, and things could change. Plenty of variety, shiny repaints, and yet-to-be repainted buses.
Didn’t go to Aylesbury, but in Wycombe, Redline’s changes were completely unadvertised, apart from a different number on the destination boards. All four Aylesbury departures surprisingly had basically every seat filled, though I guess there’s an overall downgrade on the Wycombe - Aylesbury corridor from 6bph to 4bh
I travelled on the 800 and 38 yesterday - Carousel were doing a pretty good job of it (struggling in Reading traffic a little, but there is enough padding in the schedules to catch up to the timetabled arrivals in Henley and HW after the county boundary). Reasonably busy too
 

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I travelled on the 800 and 38 yesterday - Carousel were doing a pretty good job of it (struggling in Reading traffic a little, but there is enough padding in the schedules to catch up to the timetabled arrivals in Henley and HW after the county boundary). Reasonably busy too
Traffic in Reading is standard, although the 800 should go up Reading Bridge and that's normally one of the quieter routes out of town
 

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Traffic in Reading is standard, although the 800 should go up Reading Bridge and that's normally one of the quieter routes out of town

Very true, that. Do they tend to pick up / drop off many people in Caversham Village? It’s been a very long time since I’ve used that route but would definitely remove some of the key pinch points around Caversham Bridge / the top end of the IDR.
 

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Traffic in Reading is standard, although the 800 should go up Reading Bridge and that's normally one of the quieter routes out of town
No, this would reduce a lot of the passenger volume as a lot of people go shopping in central Cav (especially as a lot of the shops in central Reading close and get replaced by housing). Not just that, people travel to the library, churches and dentist (of which there is quite limited parking for all 3).
Very true, that. Do they tend to pick up / drop off many people in Caversham Village? It’s been a very long time since I’ve used that route but would definitely remove some of the key pinch points around Caversham Bridge / the top end of the IDR.
Yes, it would destroy a lot of the route's viability.
 

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No, this would reduce a lot of the passenger volume as a lot of people go shopping in central Cav (especially as a lot of the shops in central Reading close and get replaced by housing). Not just that, people travel to the library, churches and dentist (of which there is quite limited parking for all 3).

Yes, it would destroy a lot of the route's viability.
Surely the main volume is from central Reading to Henley.
Going via Caversham adds a significant time penalty making the bus uncompetitive with the car.

Do people really shop at the Waitrose in Caversham from Henley?
 

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Looks to be some changes coming in short order to Reading-Henley, with the contract for journeys diverting to Binfield Heath passing to Reading Buses and their 28 from September. See registration here
 

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Let's keep the discussion on topic, please. It's discussing the closure of the depots mentioned in the thread title. Anything else should be discussed in the relevant thread if there is one, or in a new thread if there isn't. Thanks :)!
 
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