Avanti Premium Economy Question

[46026]

I have a First Group boxes pass which enable me to travel for free (with the correct date written in a box) on any TOC which First Group run/jointly run.
Am I allowed to sit in Avantis Premium Economy and pay the upgrade? Or is this for 'ticket holders' only?
I've contacted Avanti but they don't know.
Thank you

 

[SargeNpton]

Have you asked the HR section in your company that issued it?

 

[Bletchleyite]

I would be surprised if you couldn't, there's no published restriction on which Standard tickets can be upgraded that way (unlike say XC Weekend First). Why not just ask the guard before you board? It's them that will be responsible for collecting it. I don't think I ever saw dedicated RPIs on board an Avanti service.

 

[46026]

Have you asked the HR section in your company that issued it?

I emailed a week ago but they haven't replied yet

I would be surprised if you couldn't, there's no published restriction on which Standard tickets can be upgraded that way (unlike say XC Weekend First). Why not just ask the guard before you board? It's them that will be responsible for collecting it. I don't think I ever saw dedicated RPIs on board an Avanti service.

I think this is what I will do, seek the train manger out and ask, the trip is tomorrow so will let you know.

 

[glasgowniteowl]

You can do a seat frog upgrade with a priv ticket but not sure about first group boxes

 

[Mag_seven]

Avantis Premium Economy

The correct term is "Standard Premium"

 

[Birmingham]

More likely to be let off the upgrade entirely!

 

[185143]

I would be surprised if you couldn't, there's no published restriction on which Standard tickets can be upgraded that way (unlike say XC Weekend First). Why not just ask the guard before you board? It's them that will be responsible for collecting it. I don't think I ever saw dedicated RPIs on board an Avanti service.

I've been gripped by staff wearing name badges that said "Revenue Protection" on them, so they do exist. Only once though! The journey was Preston-Glasgow for the record.

 

[Danieldaniel]

I have a First Group boxes pass which enable me to travel for free (with the correct date written in a box) on any TOC which First Group run/jointly run.
Am I allowed to sit in Avantis Premium Economy and pay the upgrade? Or is this for 'ticket holders' only?
I've contacted Avanti but they don't know.
Thank you

Just ask the train manager when you get on. 99% will say yes if it’s not a packed train.

If you just assume, you’re much more likely to be kicked down to cattle class

 

[185143]

Just ask the train manager when you get on. 99% will say yes if it’s not a packed train.

If you just assume, you’re much more likely to be kicked down to cattle class

Assume one can upgrade, or assume one can just take a seat?

 

[Haywain]

I have a First Group boxes pass which enable me to travel for free (with the correct date written in a box) on any TOC which First Group run/jointly run.
Am I allowed to sit in Avantis Premium Economy and pay the upgrade? Or is this for 'ticket holders' only?
I've contacted Avanti but they don't know.
Thank you

Reading the current RST Staff Travel Restrictions document, it seems clear that you can sit down and pay the upgrade but you pay the public rate for the upgrade.

 

[Trackman]

I've been gripped by staff wearing name badges that said "Revenue Protection" on them, so they do exist. Only once though! The journey was Preston-Glasgow for the record.

Yet to be underlined in my book.

 

[46026]

So my colleague and I went and spoke with the TM, showed passes we had and asked about the upgrade, he had a look and said you will be better off in standard as it would be £106.30 each, off to standard we went! I must have read it wrong on the website as sure it says 'from £30', maybe that's just to Mikton Keynes.

 

[island]

So my colleague and I went and spoke with the TM, showed passes we had and asked about the upgrade, he had a look and said you will be better off in standard as it would be £106.30 each, off to standard we went! I must have read it wrong on the website as sure it says 'from £30', maybe that's just to Mikton Keynes.

Are you sure you were in standard premium and not first? The standard to standard premium upgrade maximum is £35.

 

[46026]

Yes, I even queried about the from £30, he took ages to look through the fares, maybe he was new and wasn't sure. As said I'm sure price quoted was to upgrade to proper first class.
In the end we had a table of 4 all the way to Manchester to ourselves.

 

[Haywain]

If that was the upgrade to first he's got that wrong as well, as you'd have to pay the full public fare!

 

[Bletchleyite]

Wasn't a Voyager worked service was it? There's no SP on those.

Otherwise the mind boggles as to why a guard didn't know the SP upgrade rates, they probably do at least one on every train.

 

[voyagerdude220]

Wasn't a Voyager worked service was it? There's no SP on those.

Otherwise the mind boggles as to why a guard didn't know the SP upgrade rates, they probably do at least one on every train.

Nice theory about it possibly being a Super Voyager, but Avanti only run Pendolinos to/from Manchester.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Nice theory about it possibly being a Super Voyager, but Avanti only run Pendolinos to/from Manchester.

They do very occasionally substitute. Not common but it happens.

 

[Danieldaniel]

Assume one can upgrade, or assume one can just take a seat?

Assume to just take a seat

 

[island]

Yes, if you want to upgrade to SP you normally just take a seat there and pay the train manager.

 

[Bungle965]

They do very occasionally substitute. Not common but it happens.

Not common at all, hasn’t happened since there was a regular diagram during Covid as far as I can remember.