Baildon landslip

[Ploughman]

Heard something about a landslip today on the Shipley - Ilkley line near Baildon.

Wasn't there a couple of slips in that area about 8 years or so back?

 

[Bob55G]

Heard something about a landslip today on the Shipley - Ilkley line near Baildon.

Wasn't there a couple of slips in that area about 8 years or so back?

There was a problem on 7th June 2016 near Baildon station due to flash flooding which caused a landslip and washed some of the track ballast away. The line was closed for a couple of days while repairs were carried out.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

There was a problem on 7th June 2016 near Baildon station due to flash flooding which caused a landslip and washed some of the track ballast away. The line was closed for a couple of days while repairs were carried out.

This is a pic of the 2016 incident...


(Pic of landslip near Baildon in West Yorkshire in June 2016 - Source: Network Rail - Media Centre).

P.S. Weren't there subsequently claims that a number of trains had run through the affected area before the above problem was spotted?

 

[Neptune]

Someone’s garden is attempting to get onto the line near Baildon station!

School trains will run turning at Kirkstall and all Leeds - Ilkley services are calling at Kirkstall also to allow connections with Bradford - Leeds services. Bus replacement also in place.

 

[Bantamzen]

Someone’s garden is attempting to get onto the line near Baildon station!

School trains will run turning at Kirkstall and all Leeds - Ilkley services are calling at Kirkstall also to allow connections with Bradford - Leeds services. Bus replacement also in place.

I know its probably early days yet, but have NR given an ETA on works yet?

 

[CarrotPie]

This is a pic of the 2016 incident...

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(Pic of landslip near Baildon in West Yorkshire in June 2016 - Source: Network Rail - Media Centre).

P.S. Weren't there subsequently claims that a number of trains had run through the affected area before the above problem was spotted?

They weren't just claims, either - see here.

Between 16:29 and 17:58 hrs on 7 June 2016, three passenger trains passed over a section of the single line at Baildon, where part of the supporting embankment had been washed away by flood water. This left one of the rails unsupported over a length of between 3 and 4 metres. None of the trains derailed and no one was injured.

 

[skyhigh]

I know its probably early days yet, but have NR given an ETA on works yet?

It's currently being monitored by NR, they are expecting to provide an update with further timings at 1700.

It was under a 20mph ESR a few days ago, which was then tightened up to a 5mph ESR. I'm guessing if they're satisfied there's no further movement the line might be reopened with the 5mph ESR in place with further monitoring until a repair can be made.

 

[Pigeon]

This is a pic of the 2016 incident...

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(Pic of landslip near Baildon in West Yorkshire in June 2016 - Source: Network Rail - Media Centre).

Interesting how that has revealed what look like some earlier kind of revetting works underneath what has been washed away.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Interesting how that has revealed what look like some earlier kind of revetting works underneath what has been washed away.

The report that @CarrotPie provided a link to, mentioned a previous washout in the area, this back in August 2012.

 

[30907]

School trains will run turning at Kirkstall

Looking at the running times they actually turned at Apperley Jn, not Kirkstall Loops. Main thing is, they ran them!

 

[david737]

Looks like this will be shut for a while, Northern's website showing all Ilkley Bradford services cancelled for tomorrow as well.

 

[skyhigh]

Closed until March is the new estimate which may change.

There is now a further landslip between Esholt and Springs junction, this will hopefully be rectified overnight.

 

[xotGD]

Closed until March is the new estimate which may change.

There is now a further landslip between Esholt and Springs junction, this will hopefully be rectified overnight.

Not just March. Middle of March:

"Disruption is expected until 23:50 11/03."

 

[ASharpe]

Last time I was on a train reversing from Shipley then Apperley Junction and on to Ilkley it crossed over to the down line before reversing back over the up line and to Ilkley and it looks to me that is what is happening at the moment.

Is there a reason to block the entire junction to reverse?

 

[Ken H]

There were replacement coaches at Ahipley yesterday. 10 Feb 24

 

[alext91]

Not just March. Middle of March:

"Disruption is expected until 23:50 11/03."

As a frequent user of the baildon line. Which source are you using for an estimate of timescale ?

 

[Gloster]

Last time I was on a train reversing from Shipley then Apperley Junction and on to Ilkley it crossed over to the down line before reversing back over the up line and to Ilkley and it looks to me that is what is happening at the moment.

Is there a reason to block the entire junction to reverse?

I presume that by doing it that way they can do it with signalled moves, which is always better. I don’t know if it is a signalled route from the last signal before Apperley Junction to the Down Line, although I presume so, but that line has a limit of shunt marker on it and then you have a signalled route back towards Ilkley. If you stayed on the Up, there would be no signal to either prove the points were set right and to tell the driver when s/he can move back towards Ilkley.

 

[YorkRanger]

As a frequent user of the baildon line. Which source are you using for an estimate of timescale ?

The National Rail website has 11th March as their timescale:

Incident: Ilkley | National Rail

Amended service between Bradford Forster Square and Ilkley until Sunday 30 June. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

A landslip has been found near Baildon, between Shipley and Ilkley. As a result of this, all lines through Baildon are closed.

Trains running between Bradford Forster Square and Ilkley will be cancelled or revised.

Disruption is expected until the end of the day on Monday 11 March.

As does Northern's Journey Check under Line Updates:

Northern JourneyCheck - Train times and live real time delay/cancellation/disruption information.

Northern JourneyCheck provides real time, up-to-date train times and train disruption information keeping you informed about any delays or cancellations on the network and helping you know what to do when your journey is affected. Train Cancellations, Delays, Alterations and Engineering Work...

www.journeycheck.com

Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 23:50 11/03.

 

[Bantamzen]

Oh great, a whole month of this. That's going to make for some fun and games for the next few City home games, especially tomorrow night when options are very limited.

 

[JRT]

Slightly revised timetable this week.

The school runs via Apperley Junction are not operating due to school holidays.

The bus link Shipley – Guiseley will be operating but only on an hourly basis.

Not all Leeds – Ilkley trains are calling at Kirkstall Forge. And railway planners are NOT showing the connection via Kirkstall Forge (it's a valid route) so it's a gamble which route to take!

 

[30907]

Slightly revised timetable this week.

The school runs via Apperley Junction are not operating due to school holidays.

The bus link Shipley – Guiseley will be operating but only on an hourly basis.

Not all Leeds – Ilkley trains are calling at Kirkstall Forge. And railway planners are NOT showing the connection via Kirkstall Forge (it's a valid route) so it's a gamble which route to take!

According to RTT none are tomorrow and none did today!

The connections via KLF are no better than via the RRB.

 

[Bantamzen]

It all seems a bit of a mess. At the weekend a mini-bus shuttle was running from Baildon station to the RRB pick up points (for those unaware most large buses can't reach it, so the pick up points are regular stops along the A6038 which is a little distance away), and coaches running between Shipley & Guiseley, picking up at the Halfway House bus stops. However Sunday & yesterday the mini-bus seemed to be running the full RRB, but people weren't sure if it was calling at Baildon or just the pick up points. And the advice from Northern doesn't make it clear either:

Service updates

Real-time updates on any disruption or issues affecting your Northern route, station or train.

www.northernrailway.co.uk

Train services are unable to run between Ilkley and Bradford Forster Square (in both directions).
Services that run via Bradford Forster Square & Leeds and Leeds & Ilkley are NOT affected.
Alternative travel suggestions:
Passengers can use alternative services from Bradford Foster Square to Shipley and use the provided road transport for Baildon and beyond.
Passengers can use alternative services from Ilkley to Guiseley and use the provided road transport to Baildon and beyond.
Passengers from Leeds and Skipton should change at Shipley for the provided road transport to Baildon only.
Services operating between Leeds and Ilkley will also call additionally at Kirkstall Forge to assist passengers with their journeys
Any ticket restrictions have been lifted during this disruption.
Road transport:
Road transport is in operation between Shipley & Guiseley, calling at Baildon in both directions as follows-
Shipley - Guiseley - 06.15, 07.00 and then on the hour until 18.00, 19.30, 20.30, 21.30 and 22.30
Guiseley - Shipley - 06.20, 07.30, 08.15, 09.10, 10.00 and then on the hour until 20.00, 20.30, 21.30 and 22.30
The following additional road replacement services will also operate-
23:20 Bradford Forster Square calling all stations to Ilkley
23:40 Guiseley calling all stations to Bradford Forster Square

Road transport will be provided by J&B Travel.
Please see station information posters for bus pick up points.
Journey times may be extended by up to 30 minutes whilst travelling by Rail Replacement transport.
We apologise for the delay to these services and the additional time this may add to your journey today.

So is it the station, or the bus stops on Otley Road?

 

[skyhigh]

According to RTT none are tomorrow and none did today!

Every Ilkley service did stop at Kirkstall.

 

[alext91]

Slightly revised timetable this week.

The school runs via Apperley Junction are not operating due to school holidays.

The bus link Shipley – Guiseley will be operating but only on an hourly basis.

Not all Leeds – Ilkley trains are calling at Kirkstall Forge. And railway planners are NOT showing the connection via Kirkstall Forge (it's a valid route) so it's a gamble which route to take!

They ran this service last week, but it takes a long time as the driver has to stop at Apperley junction and walk down other end of train to set off again.

 

[JRT]

According to RTT none are tomorrow and none did today!

The connections via KLF are no better than via the RRB.

I'm looking on the NORTHERN journey planner for KLF – Ilkley trains.

Yes I am aware that it's no better in timing sense. If you are travelling Bradford – Menston etc., don't you think it'd be better only having to change once, as you'd just be on the same train? The only benefits of RRB if alighting/boarding at Guiseley or boarding/alighting at Shipley??

 

[30907]

Every Ilkley service did stop at Kirkstall.

Apologies. I checked RTT not journey planners (which are not showing in advance, it seems).

 

[Old Yard Dog]

Slightly revised timetable this week.

The school runs via Apperley Junction are not operating due to school holidays.

The bus link Shipley – Guiseley will be operating but only on an hourly basis.

Not all Leeds – Ilkley trains are calling at Kirkstall Forge. And railway planners are NOT showing the connection via Kirkstall Forge (it's a valid route) so it's a gamble which route to take!

In the dark post-Beeching days of the 1960s and 1970s, there were plans to stop Bradford FS - Keighley and Bradford FS - Leeds workings, close the direct Shipley - Guiseley line and just run Bradford FS - Ilkley trains reversing at Apperley Jn. The Shipley - Guiseley line was eventually reprieved, the financial case being strengthened by the reopening of Baildon station.

 

[JRT]

According to RTT none are tomorrow and none did today!

The connections via KLF are no better than via the RRB.

Ah, it may be better via KLF as it's a half-hourly service during the day, with the RRB only operating on an hourly basis. From today, the RRB runs from Shipley at :50 during daytime hours, shortening the waiting time at Shipley, and providing a more reliable connection at Guiseley, but no difference in the overall travel time.

 

[30907]

Ah, it may be better via KLF as it's a half-hourly service during the day, with the RRB only operating on an hourly basis. From today, the RRB runs from Shipley at :50 during daytime hours, shortening the waiting time at Shipley, and providing a more reliable connection at Guiseley, but no difference in the overall travel time.

KLF stops have now made it to RTT but NRE still says it's not a permitted route

 

[Bantamzen]

Ah, it may be better via KLF as it's a half-hourly service during the day, with the RRB only operating on an hourly basis. From today, the RRB runs from Shipley at :50 during daytime hours, shortening the waiting time at Shipley, and providing a more reliable connection at Guiseley, but no difference in the overall travel time.

Yeah the timing changes seem to have thrown the coach company today as there seems to have been a miscommunication between them and Northern, with the coach company making another coach available which may not be needed. The result being some very bored drivers hanging around at Shipley.

At least the RRB routes have settled to run directly along the A6038, stopping at the Halfway House stops for Baildon. Although this has raised another question as to why these are used and not the pair one stop further towards Guiseley at Hoyle Court. These are considerably closer to the station, and in the Guiseley direction better for stopping as the existing one is on a bend and a very narrow section of footpath. I've never understood why these where chosen over Hoyle Court Road.