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Blackpool North: The most unfriendly station in the country?

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martynbristow

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If the customer service, or one persons lack of it, has been experienced by so many, I just wonder if anyone here has complained to Northern about it, and if so what has been the response?

I'd have thought continued complaints would ring alarm bells and result in some action if the problems are as bad as described, especially if it's such a contrast to their other stations.
Because 1 in 3 people will complain on 3 average and most people who do have had the plain empty email back saying it will be looked at.
Complaining to a TOC has never really got me anywhere it either gets ignored, questioned or a generic response.
 
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I'd have thought continued complaints would ring alarm bells ...
At Northern?! I am aware of several people who have complained to Northern and not received a satisfactory response.

I didn't bother to complain, as will be the case for most people. You're right though, we should have done. I think I might have done if I'd realised how widespread it was.
 

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I have never really liked BPN and the hearding activitties that go on but full creddit to the ticket office team. On all but 1 of my visits it has not been great but barable, however the 1 time I had cause to Email Northern was when I was returning home a day earlier than the rest of the group I was with and had a booked assist which despite being there in time and sitting where I was told was forgotten about and my connection at PRE was missed and due to engineering work the next 1 terminated at Carlisle so I got taxied the rest of the way, much to the anoyance of the staff there who said Northern and not VT should have sorted this mess. My complaint was handled well and, as often happens, they admitted there error. Glad to see assists are made a bit easier now.

As regards the rest of it, the fact that on all days other a Sun I use South or Pleasurebeach says a lot??
 

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You are lucky, you have not seen it at its worst!! Caught a train around 3.30 am you are kept outside the station building until 3 minutes before departure.

3.30am departure from a railway station outside London?! :shock:

Even some London termini don't have such a departure.

My mate and I were at Blackpool North sometime around year 2003 and it wasn't all that bad, to be honest. We once came across a mad porter at Cleethorpes who tried to claim that a top secret new steam loco was being built at Doncaster! :lol:
 

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At Northern?! I am aware of several people who have complained to Northern and not received a satisfactory response.

I didn't bother to complain, as will be the case for most people. You're right though, we should have done. I think I might have done if I'd realised how widespread it was.

Typical replies to complaints are rarely answered directly but just deviate to some spin "We are investing in Blah Blah Blahxxx"
 

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At Northern?! I am aware of several people who have complained to Northern and not received a satisfactory response.

I didn't bother to complain, as will be the case for most people. You're right though, we should have done. I think I might have done if I'd realised how widespread it was.

Northern's Customer Relations team seems to be a computer which finds a generic response based on the wording of your letter. If you complain about a high level of overcrowding on a service even when earlier services operated as usual they send you a response saying about when trains are cancelled the following ones can be very overcrowded.

The only way I've found they can give a satisfactory response is if their head office gets a letter from a MP on House of Commons notepaper. Maybe some people from Blackpool should raise the issue with their local MP?
 

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What I would do if that happened to me is ask for the bylaw that states that you can't wait on the platform for the train. And if they continue to harass you threaten to call the BTP. And if after that they continue it then call the BTP and let them deal with the staff.

I have never been there and don't really want to now either!
 

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What I would do if that happened to me is ask for the bylaw that states that you can't wait on the platform for the train. And if they continue to harass you threaten to call the BTP. And if after that they continue it then call the BTP and let them deal with the staff.

I cannot possibly recommend this as a sensible course of action; they would find something you were doing wrong and have you up for that. It's like if you're pulled over for something minor by the police - apologise profusely and most likely you will get away with a ticking off, but get picky and legalistic and they will pick you up on not wearing a seatbelt, having a bulb out, having bald tyres or any other thing they can find wrong with your vehicle to ensure they get a conviction.

If they ask you to wait off the platform, do as they say. Or you will find they will find a way to make your life difficult.
 

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I probably would get off the platform instead of calling the BTP but if I did, being a 13 year old may help.
 

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I understand Skegness can be just as bad as well, but I've not personally experienced any issues there.

Skegness operate a similar system but for different reasons - there's often only a short turnaround time for trains and holding the passengers back allows the station staff to go down the train and clean it - a lot of fairly disgusting folk travel to and from Skegness and the state of the train has to be seen to be believed. They also tank the toilets. The guard or station guys then have a chance to get any passengers with special requirements on first before some knuckle dragger deposits a load of suitcases/bin bags in their space - cyclists, wheelchair users etc.

Finally the barrier check gives you a chance to tell folk with large items of luggage and pushchairs etc where best to stow them - despite the announcements and signs everywhere the amount of dissent you get over folding pushchairs has to be seen to be believed.

If you're an enthusiast who just wants to get some photos of the signals or have a look around you won't have any problems as long as you shown a reasonable regard for other passengers and don't use it as an opportunity to jump the queue on to the train. Anyone who does that on my trains gets kicked off and sent to the back behind the smellies.
 

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If the customer service, or one persons lack of it, has been experienced by so many, I just wonder if anyone here has complained to Northern about it, and if so what has been the response?

I'd have thought continued complaints would ring alarm bells and result in some action if the problems are as bad as described, especially if it's such a contrast to their other stations.

No idea if there have been complaints, I'd be amazed if none, however from my observations there I'd say quite clearly this is *not* an exaggerated issue, there is a *big* issue with the attitude and behaviours of some staff at Blackpool North.

I suspect the issue boils down to them being a comparatively unimportant, out of the way, station tucked away at the end of a dead-end branch line, therefore perhaps the staff seem to feel they can get away with whatever they like. Although busy at times, Blackpool North is not really core to Northern's radar compared with the urban areas like Liverpool, Manchester, West Yorkshire, etc. One wonders if many of the staff at Blackpool North have ever had much exposure to the rest of the railway network, so perhaps they see their procedures and attitudes as 'normal', which could explain why they are so rude to those passengers who quite reasonably arrive thinking Blackpool North station operates the same as any other.

I don't really buy the arguments about crowding or passenger types -- every London terminus is *far* busier, yet none seem to feel the need to operate with strange arrangements and extremely rude staff. Having carriage cleaners shouting across 4 platforms "Get in the waiting room" is simply not acceptable by any standards.
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Skegness operate a similar system but for different reasons - there's often only a short turnaround time for trains and holding the passengers back allows the station staff to go down the train and clean it - a lot of fairly disgusting folk travel to and from Skegness and the state of the train has to be seen to be believed. They also tank the toilets. The guard or station guys then have a chance to get any passengers with special requirements on first before some knuckle dragger deposits a load of suitcases/bin bags in their space - cyclists, wheelchair users etc.

Finally the barrier check gives you a chance to tell folk with large items of luggage and pushchairs etc where best to stow them - despite the announcements and signs everywhere the amount of dissent you get over folding pushchairs has to be seen to be believed.

If you're an enthusiast who just wants to get some photos of the signals or have a look around you won't have any problems as long as you shown a reasonable regard for other passengers and don't use it as an opportunity to jump the queue on to the train. Anyone who does that on my trains gets kicked off and sent to the back behind the smellies.

All well and good, but this reeks of penalising the majority of trouble-free passengers due to the behaviours of a minority.

Trains also arrive at London termini in disgusting states, sometimes 8 carriages of it instead of, perhaps, 2 at Skegness. These far busier stations don't feel the need to implement arrangements which basically force passengers to stand in a line until the last moment.

Scarborough asks people not to join TPE trains whilst being prepared, however they don't force people to stand in a line at a barrier. For the majority of the time Skegness is not particularly busy, weekends excepted.
 
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You're quite welcome to propose a suitable alternative - at Skegness it's never 1 minute either before that boarding occurs - usually at least 10 if not 15 or 20 and there's a waiting room and benches in a covered concourse.

It deals with a multitude of problems effectively and has done for many years, and I've never heard a complaint about it from an actual passenger, unlike Blackpool North.

It gets busy trains with fairly short turnarounds away on time, fairly clean and with water in the bogs, and without wheelchair users being covered in suitcases and bin bags.

I could of course allow a free for all whereby I don't bother cleaning the train because I'm at risk of being accused of touching up a passenger whose already seated in front of the pile of junk I want to clean, and 2 minutes before departure I just chuck any incorrectly stowed luggage / belongings / pushchairs on the platform and abandon cyclists and wheelchair users - because of course the railway has no idea what it's doing in terms of queue management for trains where people bring huge amounts of luggage and the disabled never fancy a trip to the seaside.

It's also not 'the minority' on Skegness trains - it seems to attract huge numbers of pond life and sadly not a huge number of quiet, well mannered folk who tidy up after themselves. Having to whack all the windows open at the terminus to get rid of the smell speaks for that.

Until you've had to manage the situation you're alas unqualified to decide how to work it - I never realised how hard it is to load a Sprinter with holidaymakers till I had to do it.
 
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Have used Blackpool North about ten times in the past year. Havent had any dealings with the station staff so cant really comment but havent witnessed any unpleasentness. Each time the platform has been open at least 7 or 8 minutes before departure time. They seem to leave it until the guard has arrived at the train so any management of holidaymakers belongings can be sorted and assistance given.as required. Yes theres a bit of a scrum sometimes when door to the platform opened but would just be repeated on the platform if people were allowed on waiting for train doors to be released.

There is evidence of cleaning and tanking on the platforms with hoses stretched across so I imagine platforms kept clear to avoid people tripping.

Seems a pretty efficient system to me, and whilst I am not doubting people saying on occasions doors not opened until 1 minute before departure, there may be a reason for this but it does not seem to be the norm.
 

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The experiences mentioned here are nothing new. Back in the mid-1990s, I remember being turfed off the platform while hanging about waiting for a pair of 33s to arrive on an charter for the illuminations. We'd arrived by train and wanted to photograph the charter coming in from the platform, but the station staff were having none of it. I wonder if it's the same staff there now, or if the high level of customer service has just been handed down to new staff over the years? :P
 

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I too was shocked by the condition of the Skegness train the day I did it. We arrived I think a couple of minutes late, and didn't want to risk wandering off from the train because we thought it was going to leave again - little did we realise there was still a huge queue of people behind a gate waiting to get on! I also recall some signs having a very weird message like "Passengers are not permitted to join a train without a railcard" or something! On the way there I don't think I have ever seen a 156 with quite so much luggage! There weren't that many people on the train but there were so many suitcases bikes unfolded prams and a wheelchair that there was hardly any space at all to stand in. Hideous!
 

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I have a downer on Milton Keynes Central which seems to be staffed by officious jobsworths.
 

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At Northern?! I am aware of several people who have complained to Northern and not received a satisfactory response.

I didn't bother to complain, as will be the case for most people. You're right though, we should have done. I think I might have done if I'd realised how widespread it was.

Well if Northern won't listen how about contacting the local press?

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/contact-us

I'm sure they could do an interesting feature on the staff at BPN that might prompt Northern to do something about it....
 

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I'm with scrapy on this one - I've never encountered any 'jobsworth' behaviour, but then I'm just getting on or off a train like most other passengers.

The door locking / unlocking thing is a bit 'special' I suppose, but I don't think most passengers are bothered about it - and by only letting one train board at a time it saves confusion (there's no CIS on the platforms, I'm not even sure whether the platforms are numbered).

Another point is that the walkway across the platform ends is quite narrow, so it helps to avoid conflicting passenger flows.

I don't like the station at all, but given what they've got the system is reasonable - the main thing I'm not keen on is that the ticket barriers are very close to the main entrance, leading to crowding in that area. It would also help if there were more seating, but then people would worry about losing their place in the queue!
 

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Sheepy1209 - We will just have to agree to disagree. I can't think of anywhere quite like it. Despite having passed through the gateline, I was rudely told that I had to either immediately board a train or head back to the concourse. I could have taken either train. The person I was with wanted to get the later train, I wanted to get the train that was in at that time, and we were discussing connections. There is no excuse to be barked at for not having yet made a decision. Constant locking and unlocking of doors is totally unnecessary, doesn't avoid confusion and is a complete waste of time. It does not - and would not - happen anywhere else.
 

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We can perhaps agree with the method of operating at Blackpool North re passengers access to platforms but what I think the problem is seems to be the rude attitude of the staff. They could politely request passengers to do whatever as good manners cost nothing.
 

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I've only passed through Blackpool North once in my life (well, twice if you count the return journey of course!), but I have to agree that it's such an odd station.

To be honest, I never had any particular interaction with the station staff, so I can't say that they were rude. But the whole station made me feel slightly uneasy - as if I was at risk of doing something "wrong" for some reason, and getting penalised/reprimanded for it. Considering Blackpool is generally thought of as a "fun" place, it just felt remarkably grim and depressing.

The doors are just completely unnecessary. It's almost as if someone thinks that a necessary process at airports needs to be duplicated on the rail network. There's no need for it. I remember wondering if I was in the right queue for my train, worrying that the train was going to leave in a few minutes. Why were they not letting us on board? It didn't make any sense. Then, of course, the crush to actually get on the train afterwards and being told to get a move on.

It's similar to my recent trip to America, where I took Amtrak's (otherwise highly recommended) NE corridor service between New York and Washington. It has a similar idea (albeit without the ticket barriers) where you go to a "gate" and wait for your train to be called. The pushing to be first on the train was quite spectacular, especially considering that reservations were mandatory!
 

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I've never been to Blackpool North but the only time I have ever witnessed doors being closed and opened between the station building and the platform is Exmouth. Everyone was perfectly friendly, I did find it a little strange that there was a large sliding metal/plastic gate closing off the platform, but with no proper doors there, I think it was more to keep the heat in the waiting area/ ticket office.
 

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I'm surprised that no-one has picked up on the main point - that it is hard to get rid of staff who perform their jobs in a substandard manner, doubly so if they are in a union. it sounds like that some of these staff at Blackpool North deserve to be sacked.

What if someone wanted to "double back" from Preston and had bought an extra ticket to cover the round trip, and (reasonably) wanted to remain in the platform area to get a head start?
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Finally the barrier check gives you a chance to tell folk with large items of luggage and pushchairs etc where best to stow them - despite the announcements and signs everywhere the amount of dissent you get over folding pushchairs has to be seen to be believed.

If you're an enthusiast who just wants to get some photos of the signals or have a look around you won't have any problems as long as you shown a reasonable regard for other passengers and don't use it as an opportunity to jump the queue on to the train. Anyone who does that on my trains gets kicked off and sent to the back behind the smellies.

That's one thing, but why bother to enforce queueing especially when there are often four or six doors? I would have thought that jumping queues for boarding was barely a technical breach at worst.
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I've posted about Blackpool North staff before somewhere, but can't find it, so I'll repeat what I said there.

1 min to departure, gates opened.
1st passenger in a wheelchair.
Passenger plus family allowed on to platform, gates locked again.

The preference for mobility-impaired passengers is understandable, but preferential treatment for families with children is unfair on those of us who are child-free (doubly so since contraception (including the pill, but other forms as well) has been free on the NHS since 1999).
 
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I'm surprised that no-one has picked up on the main point - that it is hard to get rid of staff who perform their jobs in a substandard manner, doubly so if they are in a union.

I think what you mean to say is its harder for employers to take shortcuts when someone is there making sure they do it properly.
 

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The preference for mobility-impaired passengers is understandable, but preferential treatment for families with children is unfair on those of us who are child-free (doubly so since contraception (including the pill, but other forms as well) has been free on the NHS since 1999).

:roll: :lol:
 
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