Brexit matters

[najaB]

At the root of this is ....

O....K....

(While backing away slowly)

 

[Annetts key]

At the root of this is that...

Err, whatever drug you’ve taken, it’s obviously rather strong. Have you ever looked at the political mix in the E.U. Parliament?

 

[BananaRepublic]

At the root of this is that....

.....This would be acheived peacefully and stealthily through the supremacy of a progressive EU.... ......with the cherished values of european socialism welded unremovably into it's constitution.....

What have you been smoking?
The EU is the very antithesis of socialist ideals.
It‘s a neoliberal construct, run on behalf of huge European industrial and banking groups, many of which are owned by some of the most outrageously wealthy families on the planet. Cabal capitalism rules big time.
The social aspects of EU policies, as in Germany and France, are largely there to squash any chance of ” the left” ever getting a toe hold and to pacify and dilute the power of the unions in those countries
The socialist parties in Germany and France are nowhere and in Italy, almost wiped out.

 

[Tester]

..... Brexit is therefore is an unmitigable disaster.

To be fair your last sentence is a fair assessment!

 

[birchesgreen]

What have you been smoking?
The EU is the very antithesis of socialist ideals.
It‘s a neoliberal construct, run on behalf of huge European industrial and banking groups, many of which are owned by some of the most outrageously wealthy families on the planet. Cabal capitalism rules big time.
The social aspects of EU policies, as in Germany and France, are largely there to squash any chance of ” the left” ever getting a toe hold and to pacify and dilute the power of the unions in those countries
The socialist parties in Germany and France are nowhere and in Italy, almost wiped out.

Indeed the left were very wary of the EU and even now there is a significant number of left-wing leavers. Its a reason why Labour has had to walk a tightrope the last few years.

 

[Beemax]

I remember in the 1975 referendum my father was unsure whether to vote In or Out. At the time both Tony Benn from the left and Enoch Powell from the right were campaigning for Out. My father considered that any position that united those two had to be extremely suspect, so voted In.

 

[21C101]

To lighten things up a bit. I guess this was inevitable.

 

[nlogax]

Watching leave voters upset at being told they have to leave their Spanish homes and return to the UK requires a feat of moral gymnastics not to splutter 'you voted for this whether you saw it coming or otherwise..and why the hell didn't you see this coming?'.

There's going to be a lot more of this. Doesn't make for happy viewing regardless of how we voted but it makes me genuinely angry people didn't bother to think about the consequences of their actions five years ago.

 

[jon0844]

Watching leave voters upset at being told they have to leave their Spanish homes and return to the UK requires a feat of moral gymnastics not to splutter 'you voted for this whether you saw it coming or otherwise..and why the hell didn't you see this coming?'.

There's going to be a lot more of this. Doesn't make for happy viewing regardless of how we voted but it makes me genuinely angry people didn't bother to think about the consequences of their actions five years ago.

It's not right to laugh at these people realising that they're the immigrants.









...but it IS so much fun I can't help it.

 

[REVUpminster]

To lighten things up a bit. I guess this was inevitable.

This is not comedy but documentary on a par with Rab C Nesbit and Wayne and Waynetta Slob

 

[alex397]

Watching leave voters upset at being told they have to leave their Spanish homes and return to the UK requires a feat of moral gymnastics not to splutter 'you voted for this whether you saw it coming or otherwise..and why the hell didn't you see this coming?'.

There's going to be a lot more of this. Doesn't make for happy viewing regardless of how we voted but it makes me genuinely angry people didn't bother to think about the consequences of their actions five years ago.

I’m finding it quite hilarious myself. A Brit living in Spain voting to leave the EU is like something from a satirical comedy. I bet the local Spanish population are devastated they won’t see as many England flags and fry-up cafes.

 

[yorksrob]

One would hope that the EU would have the equivalent of our EU settlement scheme. Otherwise it doesn't say much for reciprocity.

 

[najaB]

A Brit living in Spain voting to leave the EU is like something from a satirical comedy.

Very much a case of turkeys voting for Christmas.

One would hope that the EU would have the equivalent of our EU settlement scheme. Otherwise it doesn't say much for reciprocity.

I believe that most EU countries have arrangements in place for persons who were resident in country prior to January. The problem is that many UK migrants didn't take the necessary steps and are now finding themselves on the receiving end of the kind of treatment they wanted to see meeted out to those EU citizens who made the UK their home.

 

[jon0844]

Getting the equivalent settled status didn't appear very difficult, but I guess they didn't because - hey - they're British.

Can you imagine being a fly on the wall and seeing how they're likely moaning? I'd sign up to any pay channel that documented this!

 

[yorksrob]

If they've not bothered to fill out the form, I'll pillory their disorganisation instead. I've no sympathy for not bothering.

 

[najaB]

If they've notbothered to fill out the form, I'll pillory their disorganisation instead. I've no sympathy for not bothering.

Many of the ones you've seen moaning in the papers wouldn't qualify as residents as they don't live in Spain full-time. They're used to being able to move freely between the UK and Spain.

Almost to the point that they've treated it as a right.

 

[REVUpminster]

I don't have a lot of sympathy for the Brits in Spain who make a convenience of the NHS here. A few years ago a woman brought her husband, suffering from dementia, and dumped him at hospital in Romford and went back to Spain. Living abroad is fine while you are fit and well but no fun in a hospital or care home where you don't speak the language.

 

[najaB]

Living abroad is fine while you are fit and well but no fun in a hospital or care home where you don't speak the language.

That right there highlights why I've little sympathy for those who voted Leave and now find themselves in the situation of having to leave.

After X years "living" in a country language shouldn't be an issue.

 

[yorksrob]

Many of the ones you've seen moaning in the papers wouldn't qualify as residents as they don't live in Spain full-time. They're used to being able to move freely between the UK and Spain.

Almost to the point that they've treated it as a right.

Well, there's no automatic right to flit around the world, as we're discovering now.

 

[Annetts key]

The rights of individuals varies widely depending on who you are and where you are. Of course, one of the benefits of being part of the E.U. was the additional rights that we did have. But brexit means that we have thrown those rights away...

 

[davetheguard]

Almost to the point that they've treated it as a right.

It was a right! It was a right we all had until the Brexiteers took it away from us.

 

[VauxhallandI]

Brexit means Brexit remember, don’t you dare hint that they didn’t know what they were voting for.

“Ex-pat”

 

[najaB]

It was a right! It was a right we all had until the Brexiteers took it away from us.

What?! You mean that EU citizens had the right to free movement? Next you'll be telling me that we were in some kind of single market, making it trivial for British businesses to export to 27 other European countries.

 

[Annetts key]

Next you'll be telling me that we were in some kind of single market, making it trivial for British businesses to export to 27 other European countries.

Now, that sounds like a very good idea, we could join a group made up of 27 European countries and have a single market with common standards to make trading easy and cheap

 

[jon0844]

My mum sent some items to Sweden and after it seemed like the package had got lost, it came back saying the paperwork wasn't correct. Some items in the box were broken in transit (and presumably being opened up for inspection).

What a total dumpster fire. Previously you just sent something within Europe the same as the other end of the country.

Still waiting for all those benefits we're going to get. Good as it is to see immigrants returned home from Spain, I am sure there must be some more.

 

[najaB]

My mum sent some items to Sweden and after it seemed like the package had got lost, it came back saying the paperwork wasn't correct. Some items in the box were broken in transit (and presumably being opened up for inspection).

What a total dumpster fire. Previously you just sent something within Europe the same as the other end of the country.

The more I hear about this Brexit thing, the less it seems like a good idea.

Still waiting for all those benefits we're going to get. Good as it is to see immigrants returned home from Spain, I am sure there must be some more.

That's a benefit. For Spain!

 

[Revilo]

Now, that sounds like a very good idea, we could join a group made up of 27 European countries and have a single market with common standards to make trading easy and cheap

And have a political union? And a single currency? And a single Army?

 

[najaB]

And have a political union? And a single currency? And a single Army?

Nah. Good thing that two of those three are a inventions of anti-EU conspiracy theorists.

 

[Revilo]

Nah. Good thing that two of those three are a inventions of anti-EU conspiracy theorists.

I’m afraid they are inevitable. If not now, in years to come. Much better to be in control of our own destiny

 

[jon0844]

I’m afraid they are inevitable. If not now, in years to come. Much better to be in control of our own destiny

So if they did want a European army, we could had our say or even said no and stopped it happening.

Now we can't, and we're just a tiny country separated by a small strip of water...

Such a great idea to leave something where you were up there with France and Germany as having the most influence on the future of the EU.