Camera enforcement of parking

[johncrossley]

Human enforcement of parking is too difficult and costly. You can't have a traffic warden stood at every yellow line. So most people get away with it. So it would surely make sense to use camera enforcement instead.

 

[Cowley]

Human enforcement of parking is too difficult and costly. You can't have a traffic warden stood at every yellow line. So most people get away with it. So it would surely make sense to use camera enforcement instead.

How many cameras would you need to do that on every street with restricted parking in the country?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Human enforcement of parking is too difficult and costly. You can't have a traffic warden stood at every yellow line. So most people get away with it. So it would surely make sense to use camera enforcement instead.

Camera enforcement is used where it's viable to use it, i.e. in car parks with limited entrances and exits. No doubt in time AI based wider camera enforcement will be possible, though.

 

[johncrossley]

How many cameras would you need to do that on every street with restricted parking in the country?

You would start off with places where illegal parking is endemic. For example, a road near me has always got at least one illegally parked car, usually several. They only go away when the parking attendant comes every so often.

 

[nanstallon]

Big Brother is watching.

 

[stuu]

Human enforcement of parking is too difficult and costly. You can't have a traffic warden stood at every yellow line. So most people get away with it. So it would surely make sense to use camera enforcement instead.

Some councils fitted cars with ANPR. The Daily Mail didn't like it, so the government updated the advice to make it clear that a ticket had to be physically issued and attached to the vehicle, which effectively made it impractical to do other than by some poor sod wandering the streets

 

[wilbers]

And here is the exact page with the fine details on it. I didn't realize it changed as far back as 2014.

Government bans use of CCTV 'spy cars' for on-street parking

Use of closed circuit television spy cars on their own to enforce on-street parking made illegal.

www.gov.uk

In a victory for drivers and shoppers, the government will make it illegal to use closed circuit television (CCTV) ‘spy cars’ alone to enforce on-street parking ending the plague of parking tickets by post, Communities Secretary Eric Pickles and Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin announced today (21 June 2014).

Does that mean that its still legal to use such cars to identify cars, but to actually issue a ticket the traffic warden would have to stop, get out and check the car themselves and have not heard of that happening because it doesn't work that well in practice?

 

[The exile]

Before we start using cameras against parking offences (where many of the restrictions are commerce-led rather than a safety issue), let’s start by fitting cameras at zebra crossings.

 

[gswindale]

You would start off with places where illegal parking is endemic. For example, a road near me has always got at least one illegally parked car, usually several. They only go away when the parking attendant comes every so often.

How about trying to address the cause of the problem? Knock a few houses down to create several parking spaces?

In our road, 2 of our near neighbours had extensions built 5 years ago during the pandemic. Both sets of planning permission insisted on extra parking spaces, so that both houses could park 3 cars off-road.

Has that happened? Certainly not. One house currently has 1 car on the drive and another on the road, with a brand new garage full of junk. The other only has 1 car on the drive, a garage full of junk and they recently had their driveway repaved but not in accordance with the plans to build the extension, so still no extra parking

 

[johncrossley]

How about trying to address the cause of the problem? Knock a few houses down to create several parking spaces?

In our road, 2 of our near neighbours had extensions built 5 years ago during the pandemic. Both sets of planning permission insisted on extra parking spaces, so that both houses could park 3 cars off-road.

Has that happened? Certainly not. One house currently has 1 car on the drive and another on the road, with a brand new garage full of junk. The other only has 1 car on the drive, a garage full of junk and they recently had their driveway repaved but not in accordance with the plans to build the extension, so still no extra parking

Are they parking on yellow lines?

 

[AM9]

Big Brother is watching illegal, hazardous and inconsiderate parking.

Changed that to make more sense.

 

[sprunt]

How about trying to address the cause of the problem? Knock a few houses down to create several parking spaces?

The cause of the problem of parking on yellow lines is usually the reluctance of the driver to walk 20 yards from a legal parking space.

 

[signed]

In France, the major cities do have street-view-like ALPR (automatic license plate reader) cars roaming around.

And to buy your parking ticket, you must give your plate.

 

[Harpo]

One house currently has 1 car on the drive and another on the road, with a brand new garage full of junk.

Some local authorities insist on garages for new builds with permitted develop rights denied to them in the planning permission. The misguided belief is that it will reduce kerbside parking.

Trouble is, 1) hardly anyone actually uses a garage to park a car anymore, and 2) seriously ugly vehicles (or SUV) often won’t fit in them anyway.

 

[Chuffing Heck]

I have heard from one person, that double yellow line cameras are in use London, (being on receiving end of a parking ticket in the post) not heard of their use before!

 

[ScotGG]

There's tight regulations on cameras to issue parking fines both within and without London and I don't think double yellows alone suffice. Has to be, say, outside a school or in a bus lane at prohibited times.

 

[skyhigh]

I have heard from one person, that double yellow line cameras are in use London, (being on receiving end of a parking ticket in the post) not heard of their use before!

I've never heard of yellow line cameras, however both double red line and yellow box junction cameras are a fairly widespread thing.

 

[AM9]

I've never heard of yellow line cameras, however both double red line and yellow box junction cameras are a fairly widespread thing.

Yellow lines are there for good traffic management and/or safety reasons, so what's wrong with policing the the widespread abuse of them?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Yellow lines are there for good traffic management and/or safety reasons, so what's wrong with policing the the widespread abuse of them?

Nothing, but because loading is permitted camera enforcement doesn't work well.

 

[johncrossley]

Nothing, but because loading is permitted camera enforcement doesn't work well.

The place I was talking about earlier, there is no loading allowed at any time.

 

[styles]

Some local authorities insist on garages for new builds with permitted develop rights denied to them in the planning permission. The misguided belief is that it will reduce kerbside parking.

Trouble is, 1) hardly anyone actually uses a garage to park a car anymore, and 2) seriously ugly vehicles (or SUV) often won’t fit in them anyway.

Just to add to this.

I was getting car insurance quotes for moving house recently and the premiums were actually higher if I said I stored my car in the garage, than if I stored it on the driveway, and in a few cases more expensive than if I parked it on the road.

I assume this is either to do with people damaging their cars getting in/out of their garage, or the belief that people are saying it would be in a garage but in reality it would be on a driveway and there's a risk the insured driver could lie about something else.

The same is not true of my motorcycle insurance however, due to the theft risk.

Nothing, but because loading is permitted camera enforcement doesn't work well.

Also blue badge holders, who can park on single and double yellow lines for up to 3 hours (England, Wales), or an unlimited period of time (Scotland, NI).

 

[Cloud Strife]

And to buy your parking ticket, you must give your plate.

Same in some cities in Poland. It works well, it helps a lot with freeing up parking spaces and the system is very easy to use. The nice thing about the system is that you can 'top up' your stay before the previous ticket expires, whether via a physical ticket machine or via an app. So for instance, the other day, I realised that I needed about an hour extra. I went on the app, and I could change the time of expiry and only pay for the difference between the original end time and the new end time.

There's really no reason why such automated enforcement can't be used, freeing up parking wardens to deal with things like people parked in disabled bays without a blue badge.