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In October, the company announced a £2 million investment in new hand-held scanners yet it is now been made clear that administration of the company will soon happen. Do this company have a small or large market share of the parcel delivery business and what historical links are there to the railways?
 
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Do this company have a small or large market share of the parcel delivery business and what historical links are there to the railways?

Relatively small market share I believe. And yes, there's a pretty strong link to railway history! City Link started by being a transferrer of parcels between BR Red Star stations, iirc they later went on to do station to home/business deliveries. I think it was all based around franchises. How that came to work without the railway I don't know, seemingly it didn't work as a successful business...
 

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Considering the volume of items bought on the net you'd think parcel delivery would be a goldmine.
 

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It used to be a common choice, many items I bought online were delivered by CityLink, but with the rise of MyHermes, and HDNL becoming slightly less incompetent with help from DHL under the new brand Yodel... I think they've spent the last few years being undercut by low-quality competition.
 

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Considering the volume of items bought on the net you'd think parcel delivery would be a goldmine.

Its a race to the bottom, which courier company can cut their costs the most to charge less to the big retailers to get more business, a high risk strategy with low profit margins per delivery
 

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Its a race to the bottom, which courier company can cut their costs the most to charge less to the big retailers to get more business, a high risk strategy with low profit margins per delivery

And in this decline of quality there are hidden dangers such as careless handling of delivered items and poor driving standards with ever increasing numbers of drops through worsening traffic.
With price being the only virtue in contract awards this is typical of 'free market' exploitation.
 

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That explains why the RMT man Mike Cash was speaking. He criticised the announcement being on Christmas day after the deliveries had taken place.

Woild he have criticised it had they announced it in the run up to Christmas when people's living costs are higher.

As for midnight at last, one could still try and set up a click and collect order for sending a parcel. Didn't go as far as seeing if they would take my money.
 

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And of course amazon now using Amazon Logistics, instead of the normal couriers for some orders.

Amazon Logistics is very often subcontracted to other couriers - locally to me (which is very convenient for the Ridgemont warehouse) I believe it's Action Express, a fairly small local courier based near Junction 13 of the M1. So in the same manner as Amazon Marketplace helping small businesses sell stuff to a wider audience (at a price), Amazon Logistics is probably helping smaller couriers do a bit of business.

It's also quite a good service to the customer (the tracking, for instance, is quite good, and they do evening and Saturday deliveries at no extra charge - while you can't specify that they often choose to deliver to residential addresses in evenings/at weekends to minimise missed deliveries), though one failing it has is that depot collection is not an option. And unlike other couriers a signature is normally not required, so if it fits through the letterbox they just do that.

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As for midnight at last, one could still try and set up a click and collect order for sending a parcel. Didn't go as far as seeing if they would take my money.

The problem with announcing these things earlier is that you then end up with an unofficial strike. One thing that is being done quite professionally here is that it appears it will be a relatively orderly shutdown, with salaries paid up to the point of shutdown etc.

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Its a race to the bottom, which courier company can cut their costs the most to charge less to the big retailers to get more business, a high risk strategy with low profit margins per delivery

I have wondered if there should be an EU law stating that before finalising an order they must state who will deliver it (and if that changes contact the purchaser to give them an option to cancel penalty-free). It would be awkward to do that, but would give some consumer choice - and I would certainly dismiss the cheapest option for buying something if that led to it being delivered (or not) by the awful Yodel.

That said, cheap doesn't necessarily mean bad - I've had quite good service from Hermes - in some ways I wonder if the fact that many of their couriers being e.g. housewives who are doing a bit of extra work on the side using their own car means the service is better, rather than a stereotypical white van man spending all day ragging round. Certainly the one I normally get fits the former description, and if you get a misdelivery the courier keeps hold of it for a bit so you can phone and talk to the courier themselves regarding a redelivery, or whether they can lob it over the gate or similar.

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They used to be worse??????:o

I don't know what it says about Yodel that if you send a parcel from Germany using DHL, it's Parcel Farce (who lost my most recent one, though the company who originated it sent me another pretty quickly and claimed on the insurance) who do the local bit in the UK.

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This administration doesn't surprise me. CityLink's pricing structure was very uncompetitive to the customer and it seems they were losing business customers in large numbers to more modern outfits such as Hermes.
Customers are particularly worried about premium or quality as long as parcels are delivered within the given timescales undamaged.
 

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I don't know what it says about Yodel that if you send a parcel from Germany using DHL, it's Parcel Farce (who lost my most recent one, though the company who originated it sent me another pretty quickly and claimed on the insurance) who do the local bit in the UK.

Funnily enough, they lost one of ours too. Much the same, the company where it came from arranged a next day delivery on Monday and it arrived on Tuesday in time for xmas. Guess who the replacement carrier was.........
 

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... I've had quite good service from Hermes....
To my knowledge I have never had a parcel go missing (though how would I know, if it were a surprise). The local Hermes lady does get a tad confused - on a number of occasions I have come home to find half-a-dozen Hermes cards stuffed through the door, with nothing written on them, certainly no contact number or parcel details. I interpret these to mean "left with neighbour", which is invariably correct.
 

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That said, cheap doesn't necessarily mean bad - I've had quite good service from Hermes - in some ways I wonder if the fact that many of their couriers being e.g. housewives who are doing a bit of extra work on the side using their own car means the service is better, rather than a stereotypical white van man spending all day ragging round. Certainly the one I normally get fits the former description, and if you get a misdelivery the courier keeps hold of it for a bit so you can phone and talk to the courier themselves regarding a redelivery, or whether they can lob it over the gate or similar.
I normally use Hermes, never had a problem. My local lady is a housewife doing the round. She normally comes after 5pm as well, which is ideal for receiving after getting in from work. At a guess she goes out to deliver once her other half gets home to look after the kids.
I did look into doing some parcel delivery for extra money. Most were offering the courier 40-60p a parcel, which to me wouldn't cover fuel and required additional insurances, so wasn't worth the hassle for earning extra money.
 

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I'm sorry to hear CityLink have gone under - in the race to the bottom others refer too I regarded them as being quite good. I try very hard to avoid Yodle as items never arrive intact and almost always late with a rude driver.

Hermies are fine, my favourite though is DPD. Streamline are excellent too if shipping to the Northern Isles and when our anual consignment of Xmas prezzies is ready to go they always send an excillent man in a van to pick up and get them to Aberdeen where they go on by sea.

I hope all staff find jobs quickly
 

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I get deliveries from all these companies , both personally and in my business at the same address. For the last few weeks Yodel have certainly been the worst in my area, but they expect too much from their drivers, who often are self-employed and get paid peanuts per parcel. Yodel got the most stick over Black Friday and Cyber Monday but, being an inveterate reader of business news pages, I did see Citylink also mentioned as struggling to keep up.IMO, DPD is the best, locally anyway, with regular, employed drivers in proper company vans, not the self-hire jobs.
 

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Dpd also has the excellent predict service which puts it head and shoulders above the rest.
 

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I don't know what it says about Yodel that if you send a parcel from Germany using DHL, it's Parcel Farce (who lost my most recent one, though the company who originated it sent me another pretty quickly and claimed on the insurance) who do the local bit in the UK.

Parceforce are generally fairly useless, but I like that fact that they're predictably useless. I can pretty much guarantee that, regardless of whether I'm home or not, there'll be a note in the letterbox and the parcel will be at the nearest post office, which is 5 minutes away in the car, which is more convenient for me and means I don't have to wait around all day anymore.

With regards to City Link, I've never had any bother with them myself - I've had a few things delivered by them, and it's always arrived on time and they've actually made an effort to deliver it. The same goes for DPD.
Yodel have been hit and miss - I was out the last time I had something delivered by them, and it was just left in the middle of the doorstep, on a rainy day, in plain view of anyone walking past the house.
Hermes are a pain - the last one from them, the guy rang the doorbell, waited about 5 seconds before dumping it in the garden waste bin and buggering off. The bin was pretty much full, so the parcel was pretty horrible when I went to retrieve it a few minutes later.
 
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I also found CityLink to be pretty good. Hermes seems to vary massively by the local person doing the job. As others have mentioned, their tracking systems weren't keeping up with modern standards (such as the excellent DPD tracking service if it's paid for)

Parcelforce I find really helpful - but still room for improvement - redirecting to the local post office is the most convenient option for me usually.
 

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....I don't know what it says about Yodel that if you send a parcel from Germany using DHL, it's Parcel Farce (who lost my most recent one, though the company who originated it sent me another pretty quickly and claimed on the insurance) who do the local bit in the UK.

Neil

Parcel force haven't lost an item of mine. Royal Mail have learnt that I'm never in when the postie does his round and so they just leave me a card (it's a good arrangement because I know I can pick them up at the sorting office that day). Haven't had a delivery from Citylink or DPD for years now.

Can't say I'm impressed with MyHermes, had the bin job and had parcels delivered to other local addresses, upto two minutes walk away, for me to collect (even when I don't know the people they leave it with) after being told by the courier that they won't deliver to any other addresses.

Yodal, however, go even further than this, twice they have carried a parcel for me. The first time I had to collect and was told I needed official photo ID, which turned out to be a strict Driving License or Passport policy. At the time I had neither. They accepted a bill, my bank card and work ID fortunately, but when I actually got the parcel from their depot (which their website tried to tell me was on the opposite side of Rochdale to where it actually is), the parcel was opened and the contents damaged. The second time, Yodal picked up a parcel that had come from the US. I arrived home one day to find the parcel a foot away from the front door. At any ordinary house this might be bad, but my front door is about ten feet behind a locked, 8ft high metal fence. Apparently I had signed for that one. Not impressed.
 

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Citylink has been a very poor experience for me.

DPD are the best - predictions, website and local drivers.

(5+ Deliveries a week from various sources)
 

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And in this decline of quality there are hidden dangers such as careless handling of delivered items and poor driving standards with ever increasing numbers of drops through worsening traffic.
With price being the only virtue in contract awards this is typical of 'free market' exploitation.

They used to be worse??????:o

And the best cost cutting option is to not deliver the parcel at all. Yodel are by far and away the worst for this round my way. Hermes have tatty vans and are always a day or two late but they try hard and get there every time.
 

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Yodel are very local to me, but regularly deliver a day late. And almost without fail it will be the same driver who seems to deliver to me as his last delivery, presumably before going home, which can mean deliveries as late as 9.15pm. I don't even think they say they'll deliver that late.

Worse still is that Amazon will often alert me to say the package is delivered on the day it was meant to, so the driver obviously lied and then went home with it to do the next day.

Thank goodness I rarely get deliveries from Yodel now (I did complain a few times). DPD is certainly the best, even if the driver does seem in a real rush. Looking at his route online, you can perhaps see why!
 

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An absolute chunts trick to place the company into administration on Christmas Eve/Day and leave much of the staff to find out via the media.

I am sure the owners will walk away with little damage while the workers are left with the prospect of loosing everything. Yet most of you seemed more worried about your parcel rather than the people invovled. 3000 + people found out they almost certainly didnt have a job to go back to after Christmas on Christmas day.

Pip pip old bean. I'm all right Jack.
 
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An absolute chunts trick to place the company into administration on Christmas Eve/Day and leave much of the staff to find out via the media.

I am sure the owners will walk away with little damage while the workers are left with the prospect of loosing everything. Yet most of you seemed more worried about your parcel rather than the people invovled. 3000 + people found out they almost certainly didnt have a job to go back to after Christmas on Christmas day.

Pip pip old bean. I'm all right Jack.

I believe the Daily Mirror has a front-page story tomorrow about City Link boss and his £500,000 bung to the Tory party.
 
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Considering the volume of items bought on the net you'd think parcel delivery would be a goldmine.

it is if you can deliver on cost and /or service

DPD is service focused , it;s by no means the cheapest but offers a premium service and attracts premium consignors

YODEL is cheap as you like

PFW is big enough to be able to compete on service (with the premium services ) yet for large volumes is cheap on the 48 hour service - which is treated at hub pretty much the same as 24 hour unless there;s capacity problems for a particular hub to depot route ) and RMGs links to the post office means a ready network of local drop off points was simple to set up

city link were stuck in the middle
 
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I believe the Daily Mirror has a front-page story tomorrow about City Link boss and his £500,000 bung to the Tory party.

Trust the Mirror - who have a pro-Labour bias - to turn it into a party political issue.
 

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I have wondered if there should be an EU law stating that before finalising an order they must state who will deliver it (and if that changes contact the purchaser to give them an option to cancel penalty-free). It would be awkward to do that, but would give some consumer choice - and I would certainly dismiss the cheapest option for buying something if that led to it being delivered (or not) by the awful Yodel.
An EU law sounds like a bit excessive to me, and probably also futile when it comes to doing anything remotely useful for anyone unless they happen to be in the running for a job at the EU nanny bureau.

Companies which select the most appropriate shipping method for the consignment/s after picking and packing would be forced to increase their overheads (and pass it on in the form of price increases - a loss for consumers) and/or add a delay between submitting it and sending it back to the consumer for confirmation.

There's just one case in which this would be a win for the consumer - if the company in question prefers to use a low-quality shipper. But regulation is not the answer here, the free market (i.e. vote with your feet and take your business elsewhere if they refuse to use a better shipper) already offers an elegantly simple solution.

If such a rule were to come in, it would only work if customers were allowed to be given an opt out (i.e. trust the retailer to have superior knowledge of the shipping companies and select the most appropriate one) and if companies were able to apply different shipping and handling charges according to the selection you made, to protect other consumers from wearing the consequences if you choose an expensive option.
An absolute chunts trick to place the company into administration on Christmas Eve/Day and leave much of the staff to find out via the media.

... 3000 + people found out they almost certainly didnt have a job to go back to after Christmas on Christmas day.
What's the alternative? Give up on trying to make it work before Christmas and face negative press for leaving people without jobs AND for leaving their customers in the lurch if it turns into an unofficial strike? Try and fight off the creditors for a bit longer, potentially ruining any chance of the administrators saving jobs by restructuring the business or selling it as a going concern?

No business owner ever does this deliberately, they are always trying to hang on as long as they can and they never get to choose the time that the bailiffs come to the door.
 
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